Real wheel fail

secretsam
secretsam Posts: 5,120
edited July 2016 in Commuting chat
So: my Sirrus is now back home from London, after a massive rear wheel failure - in one place it's massively out of true to such an extent that even with brakes disconnected it drags on the blocks :evil:

This is the second time the rear wheel has gone kaput since it was rebuilt a year or so ago following an entirely avoidable rear mech/spoke interface (rear mech still fine, typical...)

Front wheel OK so options seem to be:
1. Get rear wheel re-trued AGAIN
2. Get rear wheel rebuilt AGAIN
3. Throw away rear wheel and replace (new or one I've got lying around*)
4. Throw away (10 year old) bike and replace

A sub-option is to convert to S/S whilst I'm at it...

*I do have the original wheels from the bike which could go back on.

Thoughts?
It's just a hill. Get over it.

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  • imatfaal
    imatfaal Posts: 2,716
    Post some photos (maybe in the handbuilt wheels thread) so that Paolo, Malcolm, et al can work out what you did wrong in the rebuilds - once you know that rebuild again; something must have been screwy for a wheel to need that sort of attention. If you didn't do the rebuild take it back and have it done again or get both lots of money back.

    In any case I would probably be relegating it to gentle rides close to home
  • drlodge
    drlodge Posts: 4,826
    I'd take it to a "good* when builder and have them advise. If the rim is worn then probably rebuild with a new rim. Also depends how good the hubs are as to whether its worth rebuilding.
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  • secretsam
    secretsam Posts: 5,120
    drlodge wrote:
    I'd take it to a "good* when builder and have them advise. If the rim is worn then probably rebuild with a new rim. Also depends how good the hubs are as to whether its worth rebuilding.

    Could be the rim is shoot, but in which case why didn't the wheel builder tell me? The hubs are Shimano 105 (5500 series, so not new!)
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  • 964cup
    964cup Posts: 1,362
    Possibilites -

    Wheelbuilder lacked talent.
    Nipples were re-used and are failing. I prefer not to reuse nipples, especially alloy ones, when rebuilding wheels.
    Rim is irreversibly pringled.

    Get a decent wheelbuilder to look at it. Or, if it's a cheap wheel, throw it away and buy another one.
  • UndercoverElephant
    UndercoverElephant Posts: 5,796
    Most likely a broken spoke or nipple. If the spoke breaks at the thread (within the nipple), it'll still look normal, but you get the pringle effect.

    Give the spoke nearest the pringle bit a ping and I bet it's a thunk. It's not hard to get a new spoke of the right length and weave it to match the others (over, over, under), then tighten until no longer a pringle. Not like you're going to make it much worse.

    That said, if one spoke goes, it's quite often that others will too. Assuming the spokes were decent in the first place, it's likely that the wheel is pretty much toast. It'll at least give you time to save up.
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  • secretsam
    secretsam Posts: 5,120
    Looked at the wheel yesterday, think I know why I had problems...

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/40855741@N04/28080311925/in/dateposted-public/
    It's just a hill. Get over it.
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,321
    SecretSam wrote:
    Looked at the wheel yesterday, think I know why I had problems...

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/40855741@N04/28080311925/in/dateposted-public/

    yep, that looks like it might be a problem... :cry:
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  • bendertherobot
    bendertherobot Posts: 11,684
    That'll buff out
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  • secretsam
    secretsam Posts: 5,120
    ugo.santalucia wrote:
    SecretSam wrote:
    Looked at the wheel yesterday, think I know why I had problems...

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/40855741@N04/28080311925/in/dateposted-public/

    yep, that looks like it might be a problem... :cry:

    There's a couple of spokes pulled through - never seen that before! :shock: F**k knows how that happened...
    It's just a hill. Get over it.
  • timothyw
    timothyw Posts: 2,482
    I've seen that on a couple of different wheels, but then I do weigh as much as two lesser men....
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,321
    SecretSam wrote:
    There's a couple of spokes pulled through - never seen that before! :shock: F**k knows how that happened...

    Metal fatigue... typically accelerated by heavy load... time to go on a diet... :wink:
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  • veronese68
    veronese68 Posts: 27,855
    Well, on the bright side, that eliminates option 1 and 2 from the list.
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  • secretsam
    secretsam Posts: 5,120
    ugo.santalucia wrote:
    ... time to go on a diet... :wink:

    Don't I know it. In progress now. It's one thing being a little bit (ahem) porky, it's another thing when you're wrecking wheels. Not so bothered about a pair of £40 second hand hoops that have been re-built; I am worried about nicer wheels that I own.

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  • wolfsbane2k
    wolfsbane2k Posts: 3,056
    SecretSam wrote:
    Looked at the wheel yesterday, think I know why I had problems...

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/40855741@N04/28080311925/in/dateposted-public/

    Oh, so that's what happens to wheels when your overweight.
    I'm almost twice most people so am just accepting that i'll need new complete wheels yearly until I'm just 1 1/3 a normal person.
    Intent on Cycling Commuting on a budget, but keep on breaking/crashing/finding nice stuff to buy.
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  • secretsam
    secretsam Posts: 5,120
    Wolfsbane2k wrote:
    SecretSam wrote:
    Looked at the wheel yesterday, think I know why I had problems...

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/40855741@N04/28080311925/in/dateposted-public/

    Oh, so that's what happens to wheels when your overweight.
    I'm almost twice most people so am just accepting that i'll need new complete wheels yearly until I'm just 1 1/3 a normal person.

    Bad news: I am 1&1/3 a normal person :evil: - 95kg / 173cm
    It's just a hill. Get over it.
  • wolfsbane2k
    wolfsbane2k Posts: 3,056
    SecretSam wrote:
    Wolfsbane2k wrote:
    SecretSam wrote:
    Looked at the wheel yesterday, think I know why I had problems...

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/40855741@N04/28080311925/in/dateposted-public/

    Oh, so that's what happens to wheels when your overweight.
    I'm almost twice most people so am just accepting that i'll need new complete wheels yearly until I'm just 1 1/3 a normal person.

    Bad news: I am 1&1/3 a normal person :evil: - 95kg / 173cm
    Smeg.

    I had better look out on my rims then, my expectation was the hubs would go first!
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  • The Rookie
    The Rookie Posts: 27,812
    Seen a few photo's of Ritchey's rims like that, and one with it split right down the middle and about 6 spokes rendered unemployed.....

    Go for a CX style rim, designed to take a bit more punishment.

    At 95Kg combat ready my MTB rims have a weight 'limit' of 75Kg, still going after 2 years of trail abuse!
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  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,321
    The Rookie wrote:
    Seen a few photo's of Ritchey's rims like that, and one with it split right down the middle and about 6 spokes rendered unemployed.....

    Go for a CX style rim, designed to take a bit more punishment.

    At 95Kg combat ready my MTB rims have a weight 'limit' of 75Kg, still going after 2 years of trail abuse!

    I don't think that's the case... look at Stans Iron Cross... it's definitively not a rim designed to take punishment. It is a common misconception that cyclocross is hard on the rims... think about it: very low mileage and very big cushioning tyres... impact is also very limited, it's not downhill MTBiking, there's no jumping. The rim killers are mileage, load and sudden changes in load (large potholes, jumps etc... ).
    MTBike rims... different story
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  • UndercoverElephant
    UndercoverElephant Posts: 5,796
    Looks like your reflective spokey-dokeys have caused the damage. Shame, really.
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  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,339
    I suggest putting bike in garage for several years and then using some nostalgia to fix it.
  • secretsam
    secretsam Posts: 5,120
    First Aspect wrote:
    I suggest putting bike in garage for several years and then using some nostalgia to fix it.

    That's how I came to start riding again in the first place...so many years wasted...
    It's just a hill. Get over it.

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