Question on teeth capacity.

bendertherobot

Thinking of building up a Pickenflick. 1x naturally.

I'd probably go 11-36 and 42t.

Now, I will probably end up on SRAM, I mean, it's just easier. But the shifters can be expensive and there are often good deals on RS685 knocking around.

Now, you can't use an XT rear mech there as I understand it, just won't work properly. So you're going to have to use 105 or Ultegra.

Ultegra has a 32t capacity. If you're only running 1 chainring how do you do the max chainring difference?

keef66

bendertherobot wrote:

Thinking of building up a Pickenflick. 1x naturally.
If you're only running 1 chainring how do you do the max chainring difference?

Not sure if serious? With one chainring the difference is 0

bendertherobot

keef66 wrote:

bendertherobot wrote:

Thinking of building up a Pickenflick. 1x naturally.
If you're only running 1 chainring how do you do the max chainring difference?

Not sure if serious? With one chainring the difference is 0

I am serious. I had no idea if you needed a figure for it to work.

On that basis it's 0 + 25 (36-11) but, it seems, that the maximum cog on an Ultegra mech is still short of 36 so the point is moot?

keef66

I think to run a 36t cassette you'd need a MTB rear mech. I believe 9 speed Shimano will work OK with 10 speed road levers

ugo.santalucia

keef66 wrote:

I think to run a 36t cassette you'd need a MTB rear mech. I believe 9 speed Shimano will work OK with 10 speed road levers

Yes, but Bender will want 11 speed, I'm sure... and obviously Shimano needed to tweak the pull/mech conversion ratio so that nothing is compatible with 11 (not even MTBike 11)

keef66

ugo.santalucia wrote:

keef66 wrote:

I think to run a 36t cassette you'd need a MTB rear mech. I believe 9 speed Shimano will work OK with 10 speed road levers

Yes, but Bender will want 11 speed, I'm sure... and obviously Shimano needed to tweak the pull/mech conversion ratio so that nothing is compatible with 11 (not even MTBike 11)

Good point, he does mention RS685 levers which appear to be 11 speed...

bendertherobot

Yep. Will need to be 11 speed. Shimano really are missing a trick here. SRAM is the default choice for sheer ease.

Mind, my plan is being tweaked as, it appears, it's still cheaper to buy a Pickenflick built up than try and do it myself.

trek_dan

How about using a SRAM rear mech with one those pull ratio adjuster thingies? What the cost of Shimano RS hydraulic brifters versus SRAM Rival 11? Can't be that much.

bendertherobot

trek_dan wrote:

How about using a SRAM rear mech with one those pull ratio adjuster thingies? What the cost of Shimano RS hydraulic brifters versus SRAM Rival 11? Can't be that much.

Can be as much as £100 or more. Sometimes the RS685 make it down to £300 whereas Rival are generally £200 rear shifter (and brake) and £220 front (and brake).

ugo.santalucia

May I ask why you want a Pickenflick? As I recall you have 2 (or 3) CX bikes already, so why another CX and not a gravel bike? And why titanium? Are you not too young for titanium? Titanium is for over 50 only

bendertherobot

ugo.santalucia wrote:

May I ask why you want a Pickenflick? As I recall you have 2 (or 3) CX bikes already, so why another CX and not a gravel bike? And why titanium? Are you not too young for titanium? Titanium is for over 50 only

It's on the list. I'm consolidating. So the XLS and Bivio will become one bike. But it has to be adventure/gravel/cx. More of the former than the latter. My plan is to keep the cost down to a minimum and try very hard to keep both sets of Pro Lite wheels. One will keep the CX tyres on, the other will keep the Gravel tyres on.

Come September there will be a road disc bike for commuting.

I'm open to suggestions. Jamis Renegade looks good, Pickenflick looks good, it's hard to look beyond the 1x HRD Bish Bash Bosh.

penguin_of_death

You can get a JTek travelmate to convert the cable pull to use an MTB mech with a road shifter or you can use a Wolf Tooth Road Link to move the location of a Road Mech and increase the maximum sprocket size

bendertherobot

Ta.

Have to say I'm leaning towards the Bish Bash Bosh now. But is it "special" enough. The Ti might make me 50 but it is lush.

ugo.santalucia

Penguin of Death wrote:

or you can use a Wolf Tooth Road Link to move the location of a Road Mech and increase the maximum sprocket size

Nice!

trek_dan

bendertherobot wrote:

Ta.
Have to say I'm leaning towards the Bish Bash Bosh now. But is it "special" enough. The Ti might make me 50 but it is lush.

On paper that should be awesome, but its just not very special is it? I still have no idea how PX manage to make their complete CX builds so heavy - 10.5kg for a full carbon bike? I guess they have to compromise all the finishing kit to get the frame/groupset at price point.

tgotb

trek_dan wrote:

bendertherobot wrote:

Ta.
Have to say I'm leaning towards the Bish Bash Bosh now. But is it "special" enough. The Ti might make me 50 but it is lush.

On paper that should be awesome, but its just not very special is it? I still have no idea how PX manage to make their complete CX builds so heavy - 10.5kg for a full carbon bike? I guess they have to compromise all the finishing kit to get the frame/groupset at price point.

10.5kg is going some; that's the same as my PX 29er, complete with suspension fork and dropper seatpost!

They do seem to have a decent supply of heavy seatposts/stems/wheels; my XLSs (built by me) come in around 7.5kg, whereas their stock bikes with similar groupset (single chainring SRAM) are advertised at 9.1kg.

bendertherobot

The Bish Bash Bosh weight has to be off. 1250g frame (on par with XLS) Fork HAS to be lighter than the XLS (or at least equal) and no way 1x SRAM Rival is going to add all that mass. Wheels might be rubbish. But this has to be closer to 9kg than 10.

Still holding off. The Bish Bash is a sensible choice (clearance, guards) but the Pick seems like a more emotional one (but also normal QR's etc).

andyp

ugo.santalucia wrote:

May I ask why you want a Pickenflick? As I recall you have 2 (or 3) CX bikes already, so why another CX and not a gravel bike? And why titanium? Are you not too young for titanium? Titanium is for over 50 only

Titanium doesn't corrode or rust, and doesn't need paint. It's ideal for cyclocross.

bendertherobot

As soon as they knock £100 off I am on it.

tmjp

bendertherobot wrote:

As soon as they knock £100 off I am on it.

Like, umm, last weekend? Would have asked earlier, but I was waiting for my account to be activated.


Anyway, I was on the verge of getting one myself, but then had a chat with the PX customer service. They told me the frame can only fit a 42T chainring. Is this really the case? I think something like 46 I could live with, but would really prefer 48. 42T seems really small to me - I mean, if you stick a 10-42 cassette on it, you'll have 1:1 gear ratio on one end, but are really limited on the other.

I just wanted to check with anyone who actually has a Pickenflick if 42T really is the maximum you can have on it. There has to be some clearance left, but how much..?


Thanks!

bendertherobot

Yeah, saw that, but bought a SuperX and CAADX in the meantime..................

Alex99

Penguin of Death wrote:

You can get a JTek travelmate to convert the cable pull to use an MTB mech with a road shifter or you can use a Wolf Tooth Road Link to move the location of a Road Mech and increase the maximum sprocket size

Just got back from Wales. I was using a 9 speed 11-34 cassette with a medium cage Tiagra derailleur (not supposed to go with a 34 max sprocket). Worked great though. I just wonder whether up to 36 would also work, even though not 'officially correct'?

thegibdog

I managed to pick up sram hydro brakes & shifter for £280 from Amazon Germany. Apex rear brake & s700 front brake/shifter (10 speed). Running with a GX2.1 rear mech. Brake & shift well, hood shape isn't the most ergonomic though.