Problem with front mech rubbing on the crank arm.

homers_double
homers_double Posts: 8,151
edited May 2016 in Workshop
I have a slight issue which is confusing me at the moment and seems to have developed in the last few months.

When I'm in the big ring the front mech is catching the inner edge of the crank arm and has created a scratch.

Common sense tells me to wind in the top limit screw however if I do that the shift into the big ring still works but I have bad chain rub in the small sprocket at the back.

I measured the BB shell this morning after a ride to make sure I've not bodged anything, its 68mm. Checking the shimano manual online the chainset is good for a 68mm/70mm BB shell and makes no mention of a spacer - which is good because I haven't fitted one.

Bike is a Specializd allez and I have a 105 groupset which is 10 speed. The crank reference is 105 5750 which, looking at the manual references it being a compact.

Any thoughts guys?
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Comments

  • dgunthor
    dgunthor Posts: 644
    sounds like the front mech has twisted? is it a band on or braze on front mech?
  • homers_double
    homers_double Posts: 8,151
    Band on. When you say twisted do you mean bent or just sort of spun around the seat tube?
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  • Ben6899
    Ben6899 Posts: 9,686
    Band on. When you say twisted do you mean bent or just sort of spun around the seat tube?

    Either the band has rotated on the seat tube or the mech is damaged and the cage has become twisted. I'll have a tenner on the former.
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  • dgunthor
    dgunthor Posts: 644
    Band on. When you say twisted do you mean bent or just sort of spun around the seat tube?

    spun around the seat tube - the outside of the front mech cage is normally pretty parallel with the outer chainring, is this still the case?
  • homers_double
    homers_double Posts: 8,151
    I'll get it on the stand and check later, thanks for the tips.
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  • dgunthor
    dgunthor Posts: 644
    just re-read your post, check the height of the front mech is set ok too - the outer plate should clear the large chainring by about 1.5 to 2mm IIRC
  • homers_double
    homers_double Posts: 8,151
    From memory I set that up with the little plastic tab that comes on the rings when new. Will double double check though.
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  • homers_double
    homers_double Posts: 8,151
    Firstly, please excuse the quality of the phone snaps...

    Secondly, yes I need to clean my chain...

    View from the back wheel along the chain line. - Does the front mech look bowed out or should it be like that?

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    View from over the top of the mech/chainrings

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    Side view of the chain rings

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    Front view of the mech/chainrings

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    I had a bit of a fettle last night and have managed to wind in the limit screws to prevent the rub but (and I know this shold never happen and I dont do it) but when it's set to up in big ring/big ring there is rub on the front mech and at the other extreme, little ring/little ring.

    I've always managed to set my MTB up so that this never happens, are tolorances tighter on road stuff?
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  • dgunthor
    dgunthor Posts: 644
    front mech looks a little twisted inward to me (i normally set a little outward past parallel with the chainset), possibly a little low too
  • KINGGARY
    KINGGARY Posts: 89
    That front mech is bent, it shouldn't bulge out.
    I would suggest you have got the chain jammed at some point causing damage to the mech, I did it myself on an older 105 front mech as they are a little soft.
    Get a large pair of pliers, possibly water pump plies and gently squeeze it back in line. the outer cage should be straight not bowed.
  • homers_double
    homers_double Posts: 8,151
    edited May 2016
    I did think that, cheers KG.
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  • keef66
    keef66 Posts: 13,123
    +1 definitely bent cage. Surprised your front shifting isn't affected. Get bending!
  • homers_double
    homers_double Posts: 8,151
    I shall get the pliers out m'lord!
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