Stages v Wattbike
ajkerr73
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Anyone had a shot of one of these yet???
http://www.stagesindoorcycling.com/products/
I'm a Wattbike fan but believe these are coming to the gym i'm a member of shortly.
http://www.stagesindoorcycling.com/products/
I'm a Wattbike fan but believe these are coming to the gym i'm a member of shortly.
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Can't help but think it looks like a spinning bike with a Stages crank arm on it. If thats the case then it will be similar to riding a spinning bike with as I know a few people do.
I like using wattbikes from time to time - mainly just to do an FTP on once a month but they are still offer varying results. I find that its easier to get to say 300w on the magnets than using the fan. This makes it a bit difficult to get a reliable output.0 -
I guess you are using a Wattbike "trainer" rather than Wattbike "Pro" if you cant get 300W on the fan??
If you look at the details on the stages bike it does "big up" the real bike feel and it seems to have some new tech in the belt drive type thing.0 -
Ajkerr73 wrote:I guess you are using a Wattbike "trainer" rather than Wattbike "Pro" if you cant get 300W on the fan??
If you look at the details on the stages bike it does "big up" the real bike feel and it seems to have some new tech in the belt drive type thing.
Er 300 watts is 300 watts. I use the Pro and the only real difference is the power resistance is set alot higher up on a Pro. The trainer takes about lvl 5 fan to be equal to lvl 1 on a pro but still the output is the same. Does is shock you that someone can push out a 300w FTP ?
I also said its easier to reach 300 on magnets, didnt say I couldnt. The point is the difference and 300 was just an example0 -
Easy there!!!
I am aware of all of the points you seem to think I'm unaware of!!
You're confusing me....you complain about the unreliability of the magnet (I assume you mean that it is hard to get accurate minor changes in resistance with the magnet, a fact I would agree with), so I assumed you meant that you had to use the magnet. (ie 90-95RPM on the trainer on level 10 which gives you well under 300W)
Why would you choose to use the "unreliable" magnet when you can use the fan??
Bit strange.0 -
Ajkerr73 wrote:Easy there!!!
I am aware of all of the points you seem to think I'm unaware of!!
You're confusing me....you complain about the unreliability of the magnet (I assume you mean that it is hard to get accurate minor changes in resistance with the magnet, a fact I would agree with), so I assumed you meant that you had to use the magnet. (ie 90-95RPM on the trainer on level 10 which gives you well under 300W)
Why would you choose to use the "unreliable" magnet when you can use the fan??
Bit strange.
I will clarify. I generally use the fan on a pro. What I mean is the magnets can give you a false resistance to what you are actually pushing out. Seeing a work colleague use vector pedals on a wattbike to compare the power, the fan was close to the pedals -/+ 1-2 % but the magntic resistance was way out. Thus meaning the whole thing can give a false reading. I don't trust its acuracy. I use it in the same setup time and again so I know the results are still relevent in my performance but I would not say for sure that the reading was in anyway acurate compared to being on the road.0 -
Maglia Rosa wrote:Ajkerr73 wrote:Easy there!!!
I am aware of all of the points you seem to think I'm unaware of!!
You're confusing me....you complain about the unreliability of the magnet (I assume you mean that it is hard to get accurate minor changes in resistance with the magnet, a fact I would agree with), so I assumed you meant that you had to use the magnet. (ie 90-95RPM on the trainer on level 10 which gives you well under 300W)
Why would you choose to use the "unreliable" magnet when you can use the fan??
Bit strange.
I will clarify. I generally use the fan on a pro. What I mean is the magnets can give you a false resistance to what you are actually pushing out. Seeing a work colleague use vector pedals on a wattbike to compare the power, the fan was close to the pedals -/+ 1-2 % but the magntic resistance was way out. Thus meaning the whole thing can give a false reading. I don't trust its acuracy. I use it in the same setup time and again so I know the results are still relevent in my performance but I would not say for sure that the reading was in anyway acurate compared to being on the road.
That seems strange as the wattbike literature states "It calculates power output via the use of a load cell located next to the chain. As the chain runs over the load cell, it calculates the sum of all the forces applied to the chain through the
cranks."
The way I read it, that should mean that it doesn't matter where you apply the resistance (fan or magnet) as its being measured in the same place. As you say, Watts are Watts.0 -
Ajkerr73 wrote:Maglia Rosa wrote:Ajkerr73 wrote:Easy there!!!
I am aware of all of the points you seem to think I'm unaware of!!
You're confusing me....you complain about the unreliability of the magnet (I assume you mean that it is hard to get accurate minor changes in resistance with the magnet, a fact I would agree with), so I assumed you meant that you had to use the magnet. (ie 90-95RPM on the trainer on level 10 which gives you well under 300W)
Why would you choose to use the "unreliable" magnet when you can use the fan??
Bit strange.
I will clarify. I generally use the fan on a pro. What I mean is the magnets can give you a false resistance to what you are actually pushing out. Seeing a work colleague use vector pedals on a wattbike to compare the power, the fan was close to the pedals -/+ 1-2 % but the magntic resistance was way out. Thus meaning the whole thing can give a false reading. I don't trust its acuracy. I use it in the same setup time and again so I know the results are still relevent in my performance but I would not say for sure that the reading was in anyway acurate compared to being on the road.
That seems strange as the wattbike literature states "It calculates power output via the use of a load cell located next to the chain. As the chain runs over the load cell, it calculates the sum of all the forces applied to the chain through the
cranks."
The way I read it, that should mean that it doesn't matter where you apply the resistance (fan or magnet) as its being measured in the same place. As you say, Watts are Watts.
They can write what they like but having seen hard evidence to counter this - in this case a 3rd party power meter comparing power outputs of the fan and the magnets I can only say I don't believe they are that acurate.
I will continue to use them as I know if I put it on the same setting each time I ride the resistance will be equally right or wrong but will still show improvement over time. If I were to use fan 1 week then magntic the next I wouldn't trust the data.0