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  • Ok, this is crazy. They released a document that has him asking Ukraine to investigate the democratic party server from 2016 and Joe biden, and that's the damage limitation option.

    It's all based on " well he's saying he's done it, so I guess it can't be that bad".
    That's the short transcript.
  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 43,857 Lives Here
    Congress is pretty republican so I can’t see it working out so presumably there are other motives.
  • Congress is pretty republican.
    ?
  • step83step83 Posts: 3,379
    Congress is pretty republican.
    ?

    As in more republicans than democrats. Trouble is while it can quite easily go through the house, the senate is very different, it needs the 67% minimum to actually go anywhere which currently doesn't look possible.
  • bompingtonbompington Posts: 6,810
    You have to question whether the impeachment route is wise strategy.

    I guess that what they're really looking for is something to tip the scales with his supporters: you have to suspect (hope, at least) that if just one thing gains traction in showing him up for what he is (better, maybe, to say "show him up as not able to get them what they want", as the whole point of Trump is that they already know what he is and they love it), then his supporters could turn on him very fast and the whole house of cards could come down.

    Is this that thing? Not at all sure.
  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 43,857 Lives Here
    bompington wrote:
    You have to question whether the impeachment route is wise strategy.

    I guess that what they're really looking for is something to tip the scales with his supporters: you have to suspect (hope, at least) that if just one thing gains traction in showing him up for what he is (better, maybe, to say "show him up as not able to get them what they want", as the whole point of Trump is that they already know what he is and they love it), then his supporters could turn on him very fast and the whole house of cards could come down.

    Is this that thing? Not at all sure.

    There is also the current Democrat run off to consider; Biden may be collateral which some Dems in the house may feel is advantageous too....
  • bompingtonbompington Posts: 6,810
    bompington wrote:
    You have to question whether the impeachment route is wise strategy.

    I guess that what they're really looking for is something to tip the scales with his supporters: you have to suspect (hope, at least) that if just one thing gains traction in showing him up for what he is (better, maybe, to say "show him up as not able to get them what they want", as the whole point of Trump is that they already know what he is and they love it), then his supporters could turn on him very fast and the whole house of cards could come down.

    Is this that thing? Not at all sure.

    There is also the current Democrat run off to consider; Biden may be collateral which some Dems in the house may feel is advantageous too....
    Who was it who said that the ones on the other side are your opponents, it's the ones on your own side who are the enemies?
  • step83 wrote:
    Congress is pretty republican.
    ?

    As in more republicans than democrats. Trouble is while it can quite easily go through the house, the senate is very different, it needs the 67% minimum to actually go anywhere which currently doesn't look possible.

    It needs 67% of the senate to vote to remove the president. The senators that vote against are on record, having seen the evidence, as approving of his behaviour. That's not nothing, especially with the election only a year away.

    Also, if he can't be prosecuted for anything, impeachment is the only way any formal proceedings can be launched. Other than that, he can personally do anything, no matter how illegal, and all he gets are angry tweets.
    and then the next thing you know
  • step83step83 Posts: 3,379
    step83 wrote:
    Congress is pretty republican.
    ?

    As in more republicans than democrats. Trouble is while it can quite easily go through the house, the senate is very different, it needs the 67% minimum to actually go anywhere which currently doesn't look possible.

    It needs 67% of the senate to vote to remove the president. The senators that vote against are on record, having seen the evidence, as approving of his behaviour. That's not nothing, especially with the election only a year away.

    Also, if he can't be prosecuted for anything, impeachment is the only way any formal proceedings can be launched. Other than that, he can personally do anything, no matter how illegal, and all he gets are angry tweets.

    True the house can issue a resolution that they suspect him of X offence which needs a simple 51% majority to kick off a trial (which looks doable).
    Its the trial side in the senate which is where I can see it stalling as Trump has far more support there than in the HoR. If they manage a 2/3 majority vote hes removed from office and only then can criminal proceedings be even thought about.
  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 43,857 Lives Here
    bompington wrote:
    bompington wrote:
    You have to question whether the impeachment route is wise strategy.

    I guess that what they're really looking for is something to tip the scales with his supporters: you have to suspect (hope, at least) that if just one thing gains traction in showing him up for what he is (better, maybe, to say "show him up as not able to get them what they want", as the whole point of Trump is that they already know what he is and they love it), then his supporters could turn on him very fast and the whole house of cards could come down.

    Is this that thing? Not at all sure.

    There is also the current Democrat run off to consider; Biden may be collateral which some Dems in the house may feel is advantageous too....
    Who was it who said that the ones on the other side are your opponents, it's the ones on your own side who are the enemies?

    Culture wars run deep in the states and Biden isn't extreme enough for some. (and is too male, pale, stale, and is a walking hand-grenade re-hypocracy over various culture war flashpoints)
  • NRA funding trumps defense , corruption much?
  • slowmartslowmart Posts: 3,710
    NRA funding trumps defense , corruption much?


    Only if there’s a quid pro quo. :wink: and it’s not just cash, the NRA have massive political leverage across the political spectrum which would prove crucial if Republicans needed to be whipped into line.

    Whilst a Trump is a fighter and he’s gearing up it’s the beginning of the end, Trump won’t survive, the narrative around the facts are to compelling for the Republican not to support impeachment.

    More damaging revelations will surface, the full transcript for one, Giuliani and Pomeo and their staff will have to decide, possible criminal proceedings and the consequences there after or negotiate a deal and give testimony for the impeachment inquiry.
    And God created the bicycle, so that man could use it as a means for work and to help him negotiate life's complicated journey.
  • pinnopinno Posts: 37,209
    Fox news is still vehemently defending him.
    it's all a smear campaign, a witch hunt etc etc...

    Better than Dallas when JR Ewing got shot.
    S - The Brazilian beach volleyball team
    W - Wiggle Honda
    "This year will be harder than last year. But that is good news; this year will be easier than next year."
  • pinno wrote:
    Fox news is still vehemently defending him.
    it's all a smear campaign, a witch hunt etc etc...

    Better than Dallas when JR Ewing got shot.

    Check out Chris Wallace interviewing Stephen Miller on Fox News.

    I think soon the entertainment side of Fox News might turn, and then he's done. If he hadn't released the transcript, he would have brazened it out like everything else, but he's an idiot.
    and then the next thing you know
  • Saw an opinion piece on fox news site saying trumps time is numbered.

    Is fox news online different to the TV channel? It doesn't sound like what fox news channel would put out. Confused!
  • Saw an opinion piece on fox news site saying trumps time is numbered.

    Is fox news online different to the TV channel? It doesn't sound like what fox news channel would put out. Confused!

    Fox News has a few news people (Chris Wallace, Shep Smith), and some opinion people. The news people lend it a hint of credibility, and the opinion people lie to keep the viewers outraged.
    and then the next thing you know
  • It was an opinion piece so I guess it's aim was to wind up the faithful to click and comment. Must admit I have never visited fox news before. Maybe Russian times next! :wink:
  • It was an opinion piece so I guess it's aim was to wind up the faithful to click and comment. Must admit I have never visited fox news before. Maybe Russian times next! :wink:

    I was surprised it was there, and quite prominent on the opinion page. It says about the author: Mary Anne Marsh is a Democratic political analyst and a principal at Dewey Square Group in Boston where she provides strategic counsel for Fortune 100 companies, non-profits and political campaigns.
    and then the next thing you know
  • Incidentally, this attributed to Paul Ryan, who joined the Fox board in March. “Paul is embarrassed about Trump and now he has the power to do something about it.” That's ex House Speaker Paul Ryan. now he has the power to do something about it because he works for Fox.

    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/09 ... an-murdoch
    and then the next thing you know
  • imposter2.0imposter2.0 Posts: 10,674
    Incidentally, this attributed to Paul Ryan, who joined the Fox board in March. “Paul is embarrassed about Trump and now he has the power to do something about it.” That's ex House Speaker Paul Ryan. now he has the power to do something about it because he works for Fox.

    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/09 ... an-murdoch

    He always had the power. He just never had the guts.
  • bianchimoonbianchimoon Posts: 3,913
    Saw an opinion piece on fox news site saying trumps time is numbered.

    Is fox news online different to the TV channel? It doesn't sound like what fox news channel would put out. Confused!

    Fox News has a few news people (Chris Wallace, Shep Smith), and some opinion people. The news people lend it a hint of credibility, and the opinion people lie to keep the viewers outraged.
    this, been a big battle recently between Shep Smith (one of the decent guys) and Hannity (twunt), unheard of in olden days of Fox
    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/27/busi ... nnity.html
    All lies and jest..still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest....
  • pinnopinno Posts: 37,209
    Incidentally, this attributed to Paul Ryan, who joined the Fox board in March. “Paul is embarrassed about Trump and now he has the power to do something about it.” That's ex House Speaker Paul Ryan. now he has the power to do something about it because he works for Fox.

    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/09 ... an-murdoch

    Interesting last paragraph containing;

    “Fox is about defending our viewers from the people who hate them. That’s where our power comes from. It’s not about Trump.”
    S - The Brazilian beach volleyball team
    W - Wiggle Honda
    "This year will be harder than last year. But that is good news; this year will be easier than next year."
  • pinno wrote:
    Incidentally, this attributed to Paul Ryan, who joined the Fox board in March. “Paul is embarrassed about Trump and now he has the power to do something about it.” That's ex House Speaker Paul Ryan. now he has the power to do something about it because he works for Fox.

    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/09 ... an-murdoch

    Interesting last paragraph containing;

    “Fox is about defending our viewers from the people who hate them. That’s where our power comes from. It’s not about Trump.”
    Don't forget, the sun swapped to Blair when the game was up. Murdoch wont back a loser, if they think trump is done they'll protect their viewers from trump.
  • Robert88Robert88 Posts: 2,722
    pinno wrote:
    Incidentally, this attributed to Paul Ryan, who joined the Fox board in March. “Paul is embarrassed about Trump and now he has the power to do something about it.” That's ex House Speaker Paul Ryan. now he has the power to do something about it because he works for Fox.

    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/09 ... an-murdoch

    Interesting last paragraph containing;

    “Fox is about defending our viewers from the people who hate them. That’s where our power comes from. It’s not about Trump.”
    Don't forget, the sun swapped to Blair when the game was up. Murdoch wont back a loser, if they think trump is done they'll protect their viewers from trump.

    I can tell you that many, many people, very fine people, have told me that Trump secretly hates Fox viewers. He believes in his heart that they & the Fox News Media are Dangerous & Bad! Big Consequences!
  • step83step83 Posts: 3,379
    Robert88 wrote:
    I can tell you that many, many people, very fine people, have told me that Trump secretly hates Fox viewers. He believes in his heart that they & the Fox News Media are Dangerous & Bad! Big Consequences!

    Very Trump like that :lol:

    Amusingly now Giuliani has been subpoena'd hes saying he wont co operate, despite flashing evidence on live TV. This should prove interesting.
  • AlejandrosdogAlejandrosdog Posts: 2,007
    seems he asked for Australia to try and discredit mueller and the ausies have confirmed it lolol. interesting times

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-49887733
  • kingstongrahamkingstongraham Posts: 7,397
    seems he asked for Australia to try and discredit mueller and the ausies have confirmed it lolol. interesting times

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-49887733

    The latest defence for all of this is "Obama did it too, the security services asking foreign governments for opposition research before the 2016 election".

    One of the strange things about this opposition research that they (the deep state) did was they put all this effort, and uncovered all this stuff about Trump, (which is all lies), and then decided the best way to use it would be to not release it, and let Trump win the election. It's playing the long game, for sure.
    and then the next thing you know
  • AlejandrosdogAlejandrosdog Posts: 2,007
    seems he asked for Australia to try and discredit mueller and the ausies have confirmed it lolol. interesting times

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-49887733

    The latest defence for all of this is "Obama did it too, the security services asking foreign governments for opposition research before the 2016 election".

    One of the strange things about this opposition research that they (the deep state) did was they put all this effort, and uncovered all this stuff about Trump, (which is all lies), and then decided the best way to use it would be to not release it, and let Trump win the election. It's playing the long game, for sure.

    :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
  • step83step83 Posts: 3,379
    seems he asked for Australia to try and discredit mueller and the ausies have confirmed it lolol. interesting times

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-49887733

    The latest defence for all of this is "Obama did it too, the security services asking foreign governments for opposition research before the 2016 election".

    One of the strange things about this opposition research that they (the deep state) did was they put all this effort, and uncovered all this stuff about Trump, (which is all lies), and then decided the best way to use it would be to not release it, and let Trump win the election. It's playing the long game, for sure.

    Long game as in, "he cant get elected for a third term, ergo we win" logic?
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