A genuinely good idea 2!
Angus Young
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Everyone here will absolutely hate this and tell us why this just won't work, but if this does what is claimed I'll be the first in line for one of these...
http://sussmybike.com
http://sussmybike.com
All the gear, no idea and loving the smell of jealousy in the morning.
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That was posted on here a week ago. I can't be bothered to find the link, I think it's in workshop and technical.Transition Patrol - viewtopic.php?f=10017&t=130702350
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Currently riding a Whyte T130C, X0 drivetrain, Magura Trail brakes converted to mixed wheel size (homebuilt wheels) with 140mm Fox 34 Rhythm and RP23 suspension. 12.2Kg.0
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Seems a good idea. Were you trying to be divisive this time?
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I don't hate it, I love the idea!
I wish it showed you a bit more of what this "information" actually looked like on screen thoughIt matters not, win or lose, it's how you ride the bike0 -
I don't hate it, I love the idea!
I wish it showed you a bit more of what this "information" actually looked like on screen though
There's more of that on their Kickstarter page.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/373349837/sussmybike-smart-suspension-set-up-toolAll the gear, no idea and loving the smell of jealousy in the morning.
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Why doesn't anyone fund their own product launch anymore? They all expect other people to take the risk for them.Transition Patrol - viewtopic.php?f=10017&t=130702350
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Why doesn't anyone fund their own product launch anymore? They all expect other people to take the risk for them.
It's no different than it's ever been, people have always sought investment. The people who have the ideas rarely have the money, the people who have the money rarely have the ideas. The only difference now is that it's all become very visible via things like Kickstarted and Dragon's Den etc.All the gear, no idea and loving the smell of jealousy in the morning.
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Designers used to sell their designs to manufacturers because they are usually crap at the business side of things.Transition Patrol - viewtopic.php?f=10017&t=130702350
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I gennuinely like the idea, but sure there was a similar product not so long ago that screws on to the air valve.
Would be fun to see a telemetry of what my suspension is doing. Embraces my inner geek.
But unless you are hitting the same trail over and over again, then what is the purpose of the device?
You monitor one trail and then adjust according to the readout. Hit a different trail and the suspension is cr*p, adjust again and round and round you go. Like I said unless you are doing the same trails over and over again I don't see the purpose.
Plus if you adjust your suspension to what the numbers say works better, will you like that setting. As I have learnt through many responses to some off my questions it is highly personalised and what suits one person won't suit another.
But just for monitoring and liking geeky things I would have one, would be cool if it linked up to strava etc so you can see how your suspension was acting at a certain point on the trail, climbing, braking etc.0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19738593#p19738593]Clockworkmark31[/url] wrote:
But unless you are hitting the same trail over and over again, then what is the purpose of the device?
You monitor one trail and then adjust according to the readout. Hit a different trail and the suspension is cr*p, adjust again and round and round you go. Like I said unless you are doing the same trails over and over again I don't see the purpose.
Do you adjust your suspension for every trail?All the gear, no idea and loving the smell of jealousy in the morning.
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[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19738593#p19738593]Clockworkmark31[/url] wrote:
But unless you are hitting the same trail over and over again, then what is the purpose of the device?
You monitor one trail and then adjust according to the readout. Hit a different trail and the suspension is cr*p, adjust again and round and round you go. Like I said unless you are doing the same trails over and over again I don't see the purpose.
Do you adjust your suspension for every trail?
Only ones I have ridden before. Ie, firmer or softer ride via the damper or running with more or less sag. Rebound for me just sticks in the middle.
If not then the suspension is set to 20% sag.0 -
I know elite downhill racers who only adjust their suspension when they get a new shock or bike.
Suspension doesn't suddenly stop working because you move to a different location (unless it's high altitude and you're using air shocks).Transition Patrol - viewtopic.php?f=10017&t=130702350 -
I know elite downhill racers who only adjust their suspension when they get a new shock or bike.
Suspension doesn't suddenly stop working because you move to a different location (unless it's high altitude and you're using air shocks).
Guess I am the only one then.
Thought the point of having adjustable suspension was to set it to suit your needs.
If I am doing something like canals and bridleways 20% sag and medium on the damper.
When I know it is going to be more technical then between 25-30% sag and damper fully open.
Or I have missed the point and it should be a set once and forget affair?0 -
My method is easy stuff - old hardtail.
Medium stuff - short travel light FS.
Rougher stuff - chunkier FS.I don't do smileys.
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My method is easy stuff - old hardtail.
Medium stuff - short travel light FS.
Rougher stuff - chunkier FS.
I like this method.
But I only have a HT a commuter and a jump bike in bits.
Next year will be the year of the FS for me, Can't believe I have never owned or ridden one.
But my eyes are firmly set on a Spesh Stumpjumper FSR 08-09. Love the look of the frame.0 -
The purpose of adjustable suspension is to tune it to how you need it. It's not really intended to change it to use on the canal because mountain bikes are designed for technical riding.
Find a good setting and it should work on all trails.
My bikes both have high and low speed compression and rebound and spring adjustment on the back, my DH bike had the same on the front and my trail bike isn't far off. Finding the right set up tales hours of set up time but it works everywhere from dirt jumps to fire roads.Transition Patrol - viewtopic.php?f=10017&t=130702350 -
Finding the right set up tales hours of set up time but it works everywhere from dirt jumps to fire roads.
Trouble is, I can't tell where my bike's working best. I've fiddled all over the settings and it feels O.K. everywhere over the adjustment range. I assume, though, that there must be somewhere where the bike would be working at its optimum. Maybe wouldn't have wiped out on Melted Welly last week if my set-up had been better. My broken finger wants to know.All the gear, no idea and loving the smell of jealousy in the morning.
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Not looking to get in to an arguement, but you tune the suspension as to how and when you need it. As mentioned above. Trails, bridelways or any track all require different setups.
You have both mentioned what I am saying above, it takes many hours of knowledge to set the suspension per different course.
So how can a general setting be considered as the best for all rides?
To me that sound's like a comprimise.
Or maybe I am thinking too much about track days? A general setting certaily wouldn't be the best for the likes of Cadwell Park. And I am sure it is the same for MTB, if it wasn't then why would all of the Suspension brands sent their teams to events.
Maybe I am being arrogant, but one suspension setting does not work everywhere! Fact!
Finding a good setting that performs average on all trails is a comprimise.
If that was the case, I would say go back to elastometers.
Going back to my original response, different terrains require different suspension setups in order to gain the optimum.
One setup cannot yield the best results over numerous terrains, this is surely why we have adjustable suspension.0 -
The purpose of adjustable suspension is to tune it to how you need it. It's not really intended to change it to use on the canal.
You have more knowledge and cycling experience than me and I respect you for this.
However I strongly diasgree with your statement. You should be tuning the suspension to work in any trail that your ride, surely that is the purpose of adjustable suspension.
It would be like fitting coilovers to a car and anti roll bars and always leaving them in the default posistion.
Why do so many sports pay such attention to suspension settings if it yields no positive outcome.0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19741603#p19741603]Clockworkmark31[/url] wrote:The purpose of adjustable suspension is to tune it to how you need it. It's not really intended to change it to use on the canal.
It would be like fitting coilovers to a car and anti roll bars and always leaving them in the default posistion.
Why do so many sports pay such attention to suspension settings if it yields no positive outcome.
Not a great analogy as very few people leave them in a default setting. Once fitted you adjust to how you want the car to feel/handle/ride height when you have coilovers and anti roll bars can't be adjusted other than torsion strength. Same with bike suspension. You have all the options so you can fine tune to your weight and preferred riding style but you don't alter the setup up on every type of terrain change. Yes people might have a slight tweak occasionally but that's it. If its setup right, it will be right for most of your riding.
Race situations and track days are completely different to everyday riding and driving.0 -
The adjustability is to get it set right to start with. Once it's set up right for me then it should work in all conditions. The only change I ever make is to slow down the rebound for freeride sessions to stop it bucking me on big take offs. Normally I run the rebound quite fast for better grip.Transition Patrol - viewtopic.php?f=10017&t=130702350
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Ok maybe not a good analogy, but I think you know what I was hinting at.
Both of the above answers have some good info in them. Yeah I was thinking more along race days and competitions, there must be some advantage to it, so always thought why not for the average person. But my track days are powered my more than 1hp
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Maybe it is a sign that I am not really getting on with my fork having to constantly adjust it. I have a base setting and do tweak from that and it does include more sag.
And it isn't all canals, just one of them is well litteraly on my door step on to the trans pennine so it's like my back garden.
So going back to the OP, what is the point of this item (and I do like it), you use it once or twice then stick it back in the box? Hope it doesn't cost too much.0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19742611#p19742611]Clockworkmark31[/url] wrote:So going back to the OP, what is the point of this item (and I do like it), you use it once or twice then stick it back in the box? Hope it doesn't cost too much.
Once would be enough for me if I thought it would give me an efficient setup.All the gear, no idea and loving the smell of jealousy in the morning.
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[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19742611#p19742611]Clockworkmark31[/url] wrote:So going back to the OP, what is the point of this item (and I do like it), you use it once or twice then stick it back in the box? Hope it doesn't cost too much.
Once would be enough for me if I thought it would give me an efficient setup.
Guess it all comes down to price then. Can see it being used a handful of times, pre change, post change and again to to monitor. Then back to the cupboard to join all of the other specialist things used once.0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19742626#p19742626]Clockworkmark31[/url] wrote:[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19742611#p19742611]Clockworkmark31[/url] wrote:So going back to the OP, what is the point of this item (and I do like it), you use it once or twice then stick it back in the box? Hope it doesn't cost too much.
Once would be enough for me if I thought it would give me an efficient setup.
Guess it all comes down to price then. Can see it being used a handful of times, pre change, post change and again to to monitor. Then back to the cupboard to join all of the other specialist things used once.
If it costs about the same as a good shock pump then that's fine. I only use that once in a blue moon so that price point makes sense.All the gear, no idea and loving the smell of jealousy in the morning.
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If the price point is good, I would get one, but what happened to the other item that screwed on to the air valve? Same product essentially.
Makes me wince when I think about how much I have spent on specialist tools used once.0
