CAmpagnolo Triple
Hi! Calling Campagnolo experts.
I've signed myself up to next years etape and think the bike could do with a triple. I'm reasonably big, 95 kilos and can generate plenty of power but I'm a bit scared of the joux plane as the last kilometers of the event and wouldn't mind a bail out gear.
At the moment I have square taper centaur compact set up, with veloce levers about 2 years old. I'm thinking of going up to chorus level kit. If i bought an athena 11 triple chainset would a chorus double left shifter work with it? Obviously no one 'serious' enough to have a chorus groupset wants a triple but my reasoning is:
1) Ultrashift levers
2) When i surely get fed up with the triple back in blighty I can swap back to a double without changing the levers...hopefully.
I can see the athena and veloce levers ave a triple option, but not the chorus...is that because the chorus are a different micro-ratchet system or because you have to be an idiot to have chorus and a triple?
The other option is to buy a 10 speed square taper "racing triple" from GB cycles for £60. I would quite like the extra gear but is there any reason not to do this instead?
What do you reckon? Thanks in advance.
I've signed myself up to next years etape and think the bike could do with a triple. I'm reasonably big, 95 kilos and can generate plenty of power but I'm a bit scared of the joux plane as the last kilometers of the event and wouldn't mind a bail out gear.
At the moment I have square taper centaur compact set up, with veloce levers about 2 years old. I'm thinking of going up to chorus level kit. If i bought an athena 11 triple chainset would a chorus double left shifter work with it? Obviously no one 'serious' enough to have a chorus groupset wants a triple but my reasoning is:
1) Ultrashift levers
2) When i surely get fed up with the triple back in blighty I can swap back to a double without changing the levers...hopefully.
I can see the athena and veloce levers ave a triple option, but not the chorus...is that because the chorus are a different micro-ratchet system or because you have to be an idiot to have chorus and a triple?
The other option is to buy a 10 speed square taper "racing triple" from GB cycles for £60. I would quite like the extra gear but is there any reason not to do this instead?
What do you reckon? Thanks in advance.
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I'm no Campag expert, but how are you planning to operate a triple front mech with a double shifter??
(Shimano used to do left shifters that could be set up for double or triple, but had so many break - mine included - that they don't do them any more)
Campag are the same as Shimano in offering a triple option for the lower groupsets only.
I suspect a compact with a bigger cassette will be your cheapest option0 -
I'm no Campag expert, but how are you planning to operate a triple front mech with a double shifter??
(Shimano used to do left shifters that could be set up for double or triple, but had so many break - mine included - that they don't do them any more)
Campag are the same as Shimano in offering a triple option for the lower groupsets only.
I suspect a compact with a bigger cassette will be your cheapest option
In the past the upper group left hand shifters have been micro ratchet fully trim-able so would work with anything. I just wondered if this was still the case for Chorus .0 -
Unlike Shimano shifters, most Campag shifters work on a ratchet system which allows you to use double or triple chainsets with easy trim either way. I use Veloce nine-speed levers from the early 2000s to work the triple chainset on my tourer. They also work doubles - it's just a question of tightening the adjustment screws on the front mech. All the older ergo levers which shift multiple gears in one swing of the lever and the similar modern ultrashift levers including 10-speed work triples or doubles.
I'm unsure whether modern lower end shifters will work both doubles and triples. I had some Centaur 10-speed levers on a double which had a sort of indexed change (QS maybe?) rather than the multi-ratchet. I'm sure those would not have worked a triple. I didn't like them and replaced with ultrashift Record which feel to have the same action as my old Veloce and would work double or triple. You can still buy new Record and probably Chorus 10-speed shifters.
I'm unsure about 11-speed shifters. I have 11-speed Record on one of my bikes and the action seems identical to the 10-speed so I reckon they would work on a triple. However, I understand the cable pull for 11-speed changed in 2015 so the very latest ones may not work.
I would contact Graeme at Campag specialists Velo Tech( you can find them on Google). Graeme sometimes posts on this forum and is a real expert.0 -
I've got 2012 Record levers and though I haven't used them with a triple, there are enough clicks in there, that I think it should work.
I think the double/triple options for the powershift levers came in a couple of years ago - it's possible that some of the earlier powershift levers would work with both (are the triple version the same as the earlier version powershift/escape levers - in that they will handle both - whereas the new double only levers have a different ratchet)?
They redesigned the ultrashift levers this year with different pull (on the back at least) so they may be different too?0 -
Saying that - the campag website and tech docs say only the specific powershift athena 11-speed triple levers are compatible with the triple chainset.0
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AFAIK Chorus still use the micro-ratchet and are double/triple compatible - from Athena down they use the Powershift escapement mechanism which is entirely different. You'll have no problems using the older Racing Triple chainset with any drivetrain - they aren't manufacturer specific.Make mine an Italian, with Campagnolo on the side..0
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Another option as suggested above is to acquire a Shimano 11-32, 11-speed cassette and stick with your compact.
11-speed cassettes are cross compatible as far as I understand it so a 34/32 bail out gear should be enough. It's going to be pretty close to a 30/29 from your triple (assuming your using a 12-29 cassette at the moment). Also Shimano cassettes are a fair bit cheaper than Campagnolo so that's a benefit.
Just need to check if your rear mech would cope with the 32t lowest cog0 -
The other option is to buy a 10 speed square taper "racing triple" from GB cycles for £60. I would quite like the extra gear but is there any reason not to do this instead?
What do you reckon? Thanks in advance.
You don't need a dedicated 11 speed crankset for 11 speed, that racing triple 10 speed one will do the job (if your left shifter does).
Stronglight Impact or Sugino XD cranksets will do the job too.0 -
AFAIK Chorus still use the micro-ratchet and are double/triple compatible
The latest Evolution shifters are designed exclusively for a double set up. Two clicks take you from the outer to the inner ring, and there is a third click that only gives very small trim adjustment. This arrangement means that is is very unlikely that you would drop the chain when going from the big to the small ring when using the larger cogs, as the inner side of the cage acts as a chain device until it is trimmed.
To the OP, a standard triple with a 30 inner ring is a bit of a waste of time when you can use a compact with a 29 or 30 sprocket to get the same gear on a standard rear mech. (To use 30 ring or smaller with a 30 sprocket really needs a long cage mech, which don't exist in Record or Chorus form.)
If you are going for a triple look to fitting a touring chainset with something like 24, 36, 48 rings with a 12-30 cassette. Something like this:
http://www.spacycles.co.uk/products.php?plid=m2b0s109p2004
You will still have to source some old style micro ratchet Ergolevers and a matching long-cage mech though, something like the old 10-speed Speed Triple."an original thinker… the intellectual heir of Galileo and Einstein… suspicious of orthodoxy - any orthodoxy… He relishes all forms of ontological argument": jane90.0 -
If the levers are the newer curved type they need to be triple specific.
Unless you are going 11 speed I would be looking for some older 10 speeders. If you can live with odd levers just for the ride then even 8 speed stuff works well, in fact better than some new stuff in this job.
You will find plenty of people who like me have had their Veloce right hand lever pack up (they were not rebuild able) but have the left sitting around for a rainy day0
