Is a TDF win worth more than a Giro-Vuelta double?
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Yes
Winning the Giro/Vuelta double would be like winiing the FA cup and League cup but finishing in the bottom half of the league.
If someone won both for a few years in a row the biggest question it would raise would be why they are shirking the tour."Unfortunately these days a lot of people don’t understand the real quality of a bike" Ernesto Colnago0 -
The answer is that he's posting all the time on here!Is it worth asking again who and where these mythical real cycling fans are?
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An alternative question: Can anyone name a World Tour team that didn't turn up to the Tour with their best GC rider?If you could draw up a list of the top, say 30, GC contenders this season - let's imagine for a moment that it's possible to do that with some kind of objectivity - then what proportion of them would you find at each race? That would seem to be a relevant question to me.
Astana?
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shall we assume that Real Cycling Fan = matches Frenchie's deranged proclamations?
I love how he proclaims to speak for all true cycling fans. Quite what this is based on, other than an enormous ego, is beyond me.0 -
shall we assume that Real Cycling Fan = matches Frenchie's deranged proclamations?
I love how he proclaims to speak for all true cycling fans. Quite what this is based on, other than an enormous ego, is beyond me.
Perhaps there's some sort of Bildeberg-type group that he's a member of.It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.0 -
shall we assume that Real Cycling Fan = matches Frenchie's deranged proclamations?
I love how he proclaims to speak for all true cycling fans. Quite what this is based on, other than an enormous ego, is beyond me.
Perhaps there's some sort of Bildeberg-type group that he's a member of.
*googles Bildeberg*
Hmmm. Possible.0 -
It's amazing that in over quarter of a million users, we only have one true cycling fan.
Wiggins beats them all, he has won over various courses and disciplines.
cobbled classics - nope.
Hilly classics - nope.
3 week courses that aren't designed for his skillset - nope.
track stuff and TT stuff that is designed for him, on occasion.
He's good but he aint that good...0 -
shall we assume that Real Cycling Fan = matches Frenchie's deranged proclamations?
I love how he proclaims to speak for all true cycling fans. Quite what this is based on, other than an enormous ego, is beyond me.
You have made a lot of comments about me over the years but have never turned up to one of the meetups. Maybe if you had and met me you would have a much better opinion, not least the fact that saying I have a massive ego is so far off the mark.
Regardless andy, less than 250 posts and I'm done here.Contador is the Greatest0 -
shall we assume that Real Cycling Fan = matches Frenchie's deranged proclamations?
I love how he proclaims to speak for all true cycling fans. Quite what this is based on, other than an enormous ego, is beyond me.
Perhaps there's some sort of Bildeberg-type group that he's a member of.
I don't know, but I'm happy not to be a 'real cycling fan' if the entry requirements are so narrow minded. For the record I'm really happy that the likes of Chaves have got my wife enthrawled in the Vuelta and SKY are encouraging the masses out on their bikes.0 -
You have made a lot of comments about me over the years but have never turned up to one of the meetups.
I bloody told youSalsiccia1 wrote:Perhaps there's some sort of Bildeberg-type group that he's a member of.It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.0 -
I personally don't see any of the money made by the Tour so my interest is purely in terms of sporting achievement.
In those terms I would rate the G-V double about equal to a Tour win - if one rider did that double and another won the Tour then all other things being equal I'd find it hard to split them if asked who was the best stage racer of the year.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0 -
Well. I am a "Real Fan", I must be cos I learned fairly recently that FF has me on block????? Aparently I disagreed with one of his rantings at some point. Fame at last.
Yes, the Tour is worth more than the Giro Vuelta double,in the same year. Some of the top riders use the Giro as a build up to the Tour, and some ride the Vuelta as a get out of jail after a poor Tour, never the other way round.
The old story, still true I am told, win even a stage of the Tour and you never have to buy another drink. The Giro and Vuelta are far enough apart for a double peak training year so in training terms are not a big ask.
I have spectated at all three a number of times and in terms of rider quality, spectators, media and overall spectacle the Tour is on another planet. The Tripple Crown is and always has been the Giro, Tour and Worlds in the same year. If Contador had won the Tour recently we would not be having this conversation cos our arbiter of real fandome would be proclaiming the Tour to be the "Only" race worth riding.
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Well having also Officicated, Organised and Timed many, many GB cycle races, then you can say that cap fits rather comfortably.
Real cycling fan talking.So, as a former amateur racing cyclist I find the tour is the least exciting GTOrganiser, National Championship 50 mile Time Trial 19720 -
That fantastic all time great, Stephen Roche can lay claim to that. :roll:The cycling triple crown was always Giro-Tour-Worlds.Organiser, National Championship 50 mile Time Trial 19720 -
That's what I Implied.!#JeSuisARealFanOrganiser, National Championship 50 mile Time Trial 19720 -
Got to love "real" cycling fans dictating to other cycling fans about how they should feel about the sport.You only need two tools: WD40 and Duck Tape.
If it doesn't move and should, use the WD40.
If it shouldn't move and does, use the tape.0 -
It's an issue on all sports forums. That you can only discuss the sport or the impact it has if you're a 'real' fan and the impact of the sport isn't important amongst those who aren't 'real' fans.
The very reason the Tour de France is the pinnacle of the sport and attracts so much attention is that people who wouldn't be considered real cycling fans by those in here still watch it.0 -
anyone claiming to be a real fan is immediately disqualified from being one.
#jesuisarealfanNapoleon, don't be jealous that I've been chatting online with babes all day. Besides, we both know that I'm training to be a cage fighter.0 -
Talking of triple crowns, a week on Sunday I will complete the Tipple Crown - visiting all of the Grand Tours in one year (and having some drinks - this bit is optional).
Who else here has completed a Tipple Crown?
I'm waiting for them to come to me
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Talking of triple crowns, a week on Sunday I will complete the Tipple Crown - visiting all of the Grand Tours in one year (and having some drinks - this bit is optional).
Who else here has completed a Tipple Crown?
Sort of. Went to see the Tour, Vuelta and Worlds one year. Also saw Het Volk, Kurne Brussels Kurne, Gent Wevelgem, Paris Roubaix and the Dauphine that year. Surprised they knew who I was at work!0 -
Talking of triple crowns, a week on Sunday I will complete the Tipple Crown - visiting all of the Grand Tours in one year (and having some drinks - this bit is optional).
Who else here has completed a Tipple Crown?
hmmm
This year so far:
Mallorca races
P-N
MSR
Flanders
P-R
Giro
Tour of Yorkshire
Tour
LondonSurrey
Drink was most definitely drunk on each and every jaunt
Can I have an exemption chit for missing out the Vuelta?0 -
I think you missed one there.Contador is the Greatest0
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I think you missed one there.
You're absolutely right:
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Perhaps we should agree on a ratio.
Tour 1st = 1, 2nd = 0.5, 3rd = 0.25
Giro 1st = 0.75, 2nd = 0.37, 3rd = 0.18
Vuelta 1st = 0.65, 2nd = 0.32, 3rd = 0.16
How does that sound?
So then (if my maths is right):
Froome = 3.12
Nibali = 3.52
Quintana = 1.75
Contador = 5.45
That looks good to me
Any dissenters?It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.0 -
Haha, not bad way of approaching it.Contador is the Greatest0
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I'd have the Vuelta at
.5, .25, .10Napoleon, don't be jealous that I've been chatting online with babes all day. Besides, we both know that I'm training to be a cage fighter.0
