I'm a union man!
Frank the tank
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As some on here would guess. I believe it is the right of every working person to take industrial action if neccessary, but laws apply in order to do/prevent it.
How come farmers who are in a union and are surely a key industry are able to take industrial action without a ballot of its members let alone have a majority and carry out secondary picketing of supermarkets?
If my union/any other union did this they would be facing punitive action from the government, why not farmers. My MP is a farmer, I wonder how many others are?
How come farmers who are in a union and are surely a key industry are able to take industrial action without a ballot of its members let alone have a majority and carry out secondary picketing of supermarkets?
If my union/any other union did this they would be facing punitive action from the government, why not farmers. My MP is a farmer, I wonder how many others are?
Tail end Charlie
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Such as
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1994/33/section/68#commentary-c1980963
Good on yer, Frank.
Bruiser
Panzer
Commuter
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
The railway workers' union will have to jump through hoops to legally take industrial action which they have done. I have a lot of time for farmers and I'm on their side, but demonstrating in/at supermarkets is in effect secondary picketing and illegal.
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Serious question as it seems a grey area to me.
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I always thought of the farmer's union more like the confederation of small businesses or some other trade group.
That reminds me.
I read this and I thought of you.
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/08/if-you-think-tube-drivers-are-overpaid-you-dont-understand-how-capitalism-works
One thing that hasn't been mentioned much but I did take in this morning was the fact that almost all farmers are subsidised for this type of event so are paid prior to making the milk, I'm not sure how this works as I don't know enough about it but I am personally aware of several farmers who take subsidies and don't farm their land and they do quite well on it.
XM-057 rigid 29er
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- @ddraver
The point is let's see the law applied in a fair and equal manner.
The railway workers' union will have to jump through hoops to legally take industrial action which they have done. I have a lot of time for farmers and I'm on their side, but demonstrating in/at supermarkets is in effect secondary picketing and illegal.
And I'll say again I'm on the farmers side I happen to think we do actually need a farming industry.
As for champion left wing poster on here,thanks, but there are others of the left (not many mind) who post/debate far more than I.
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I think part of the 'Fair Trade' for foreign farmers is because the WTO does not allow certain countries subsidise or even support their farmers in producing certain food types which forces them to produce cash crops preventing food security in said countries and/or levies huge import duties on same food stuffs if imported into US or EU
Local 'Fair Trade' is local shops and farmers markets
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Planet X Pro Carbon
You got many Morrisons supermarkets in Barbados then stu-bim?
What the farmers are doing isn't industrial action and is not co-ordinated by a union but these guys.
http://www.farmersforaction.org/
Said interviewed farmer was waxing strong about how supermarkets were responsible for all the ills of the western world, they need to pay the farmer more, blah de blah... Towards the end he was asked where his milk went. Oh that all goes on contract for making butter and cheese. Farmer is part of an industrial process.
Wait right there. censored interviewer didn't follow up. However, said farmer's case therefore appears to be "I signed a contract that allows price to be deflated in line with world markets, I don't like that so I want supermarket / consumer / taxpayer / Uncle Tom Cobley and all to pay me the difference". Subsidy junkies the lot of them. If you don't like the contract you shouldn't have signed it then.
As the saying goes "you ll never see a poor farmer"
Yes, saying the same nonsense again does nt change it from being nonsense though
You mention the actual issue here as though it is an after thought
- @ddraver
picketing? they are not stopping other workers doing their work and in anycase, farming isnt a 40hr week work.
Cows need milking 2x daily regardless.
If they are causing criminal damge to a super market, laws exsist to deal with.
Also, on the RMT how is there not yet a crowd funding campaign for driverless train infrastructure or for all people on a platform to always give the train driver the bird?
I like the way you are thinking re: the tube unions, I think you would get several million Londoners willing to chip in - especially after the next strikes (two in a week the week after next :roll: ). Also how about let them strike but hold them accountable for any financial losses suffered by businesses or commuters affected by their actions? That might make them think twice before trying to hold a City to ransom and get them to realise that it's not just about them.
Bruiser
Panzer
Commuter
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
No but plenty of farmers markets and a ridiculous foreign owned chain of supermarkets which carry tesco and waitrose products
So there certainly is a choice of either
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London bus drivers have a harder job and they earn less than half of what tube drivers earn.
London coppers also earn less (in the case of new PC's they earn FAR less) and they have a MUCH harder job to do.
TFL tube drivers = complete and utter piss takers!
I remember how that situation ended.
I also remember the coal miners who decided to strike, the gas board plumbed in gas to almost every house in the country and coal was no longer needed, I remember how that turned out as well.
I often wonder if its "people in power" who really call the shots for these people with the sole aim of destroying the workforce in order to move on or drastically change the way businesses work.
Started the strike with a big union and a small house.
Finished the strike with a small union and a big house.
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Well, its a free country and everyone should have the democratic right to withdraw their labour, or do you want a communist system?
But an interesting point re compensation for lose, would you also like to apply that to the financial sector and the CEO's who walked away multi millonaires following 2008 ?
Not sure why you are singling out chief execs in particular? But if anyone can be show to deliberately have caused damage through their actions then fine. If its incompetence etc then that's a different matter. However what we are talking about with the tube workers is deliberate and premeditated action that they know will cause material financial damage to their employer, and to other businesses and people who have nothing to do with the dispute. That is selfish, it's blackmail and it's wrong. Bring on the machines.
By all means negotiate with your employer but don't harm others to make your point. And if you really think its that bad then resign and get another job. In the case of tube drivers they should count themselves lucky - do they really think they are going to get a better deal elsewhere for that level of skill? :roll:
Bruiser
Panzer
Commuter
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
I am not sure. You have no chance.