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“There’s such a big gap — $400 a pair compared to $2,000 a pair for wheels — I’d be surprised if buyers didn’t know that they’re counterfeit,” she said. “I would hope that the more educated ones would realize that the quality is not the same.”
A cutting, but fair conclusion.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
In a similar vein:-
http://velonews.competitor.com/not-all-frames-are-created-equal-a-look-deep-inside-the-carbon-in-counterfeit-bikes
Presumably a thread about counterfeit products in general won't be locked - its a useful issue to flag, I think.
Okay, so I work in IP so I'm aware of some of the legal issues here. But, if an indivudual imports a fake, the legal implications are more or less on the level of live streaming or illegal downloads. That is to say, you shouldn't wilfully infringe people's intellectual property rights or commit any related criminal offences, but the chances are that individuals doing so on a small scale aren't going to get caught - not that I'd have too much sympathy if they did.
No, by far the greatest issue is one of safety, which simply can't be over stated.
I also don't accept that people necessarily know this. Most of us will, of course. However, you only need to take a look at the workshop questions or the road beginners forum to see just how varied the level of technical understanding of bicycles can be. I mean, if you can't fix a flat (and I've come across a few well kitted out cyclists who can't), would you necessarily be aware that a fake cf frame could be a death trap?0 -
As I said on the other thread, that comparison is meaningless in isolation. If we accept Specialized's claims about how sooper dooper an SL4 is then, clearly, that fake is not as good. But is it as good as a Ribble or Planet X?? Or a Genesis? And, crucially, what do the figures mean? Is the frame dangerous?My blog: http://www.roubaixcycling.cc (kit reviews and other musings)
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“The wheels just kind of fall apart,” said Chad Moore, the global brand manager for Mavic, a long-established wheel maker based in France. “It really just becomes an enormous safety issue for consumers.”As I said on the other thread, that comparison is meaningless in isolation. If we accept Specialized's claims about how sooper dooper an SL4 is then, clearly, that fake is not as good. But is it as good as a Ribble or Planet X?? Or a Genesis? And, crucially, what do the figures mean? Is the frame dangerous?
You don't have to be an expert to realise that wheels falling apart could be dangerous.
This is assuming that they do in fact, fall apart.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
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It might be. A Ribble or Planet X won't be. It really is that simple.As I said on the other thread, that comparison is meaningless in isolation. If we accept Specialized's claims about how sooper dooper an SL4 is then, clearly, that fake is not as good. But is it as good as a Ribble or Planet X?? Or a Genesis? And, crucially, what do the figures mean? Is the frame dangerous?
The main purpose of a counterfeit is to deceive. There's no need to build brand loyalty or reputation, so there's no benefit to quality in anything other than superficial appearance.
Would you install counterfeit brakes or tyres on your car?0 -
As I said on the other thread, that comparison is meaningless in isolation. If we accept Specialized's claims about how sooper dooper an SL4 is then, clearly, that fake is not as good. But is it as good as a Ribble or Planet X?? Or a Genesis? And, crucially, what do the figures mean? Is the frame dangerous?
If Ribble sell a genuine Ribble they aren't trying to sell a fake, regardless of the actual quality and regardless of whether it is better or worse than a Chinarello.
FWIW, of all the people I know who have bought a budget cf Ribble, they have been very impressed with it. Ribble are not going to tarnish their reputation by selling poor quality bike stuff.seanoconn - gruagach craic!0 -
My post is in relation to post 3 and the other thread. Not the first post. Nowhere did I state that a Ribble is a fake.
My question is about the numbers in the specialised test. What do they mean in relation to other bikes.My blog: http://www.roubaixcycling.cc (kit reviews and other musings)
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My post is in relation to post 3 and the other thread. Not the first post. Nowhere did I state that a Ribble is a fake.
My question is about the numbers in the specialised test. What do they mean in relation to other bikes.
I didn't say that it was, I understood your comment.
Specialized are probably selective about what frames they compare themselves with.seanoconn - gruagach craic!0 -
As I said on the other thread, that comparison is meaningless in isolation. If we accept Specialized's claims about how sooper dooper an SL4 is then, clearly, that fake is not as good. But is it as good as a Ribble or Planet X?? Or a Genesis? And, crucially, what do the figures mean? Is the frame dangerous?
If Ribble sell a genuine Ribble they aren't trying to sell a fake, regardless of the actual quality and regardless of whether it is better or worse than a Chinarello.
FWIW, of all the people I know who have bought a budget cf Ribble, they have been very impressed with it. Ribble are not going to tarnish their reputation by selling poor quality bike stuff.
I would expect, too, that there is less likelihood of anyone faking a Ribble, as it is not a high value brand known much beyond these shores.To err is human, but to make a real balls up takes a super computer.0
