Steve Cummings TT bike - front fairing UCI legal..?
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http://www.bikeradar.com/road/gear/article/pro-bike-steve-cummings-tour-de-france-cervelo-p5-44825/
Any thoughts on this? From what I have read, that nose cone would usually not be allowed in UCI events...?
Any thoughts on this? From what I have read, that nose cone would usually not be allowed in UCI events...?
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http://www.bikeradar.com/road/gear/article/pro-bike-steve-cummings-tour-de-france-cervelo-p5-44825/
Any thoughts on this? From what I have read, that nose cone would usually not be allowed in UCI events...?
I'm sure when it got put on the jig before he used it they would have mentioned it.0 -
I reckon that's in Triathlon mode - take a look at the bikes in these photos by Gruber of the TTT; there are about 5 head on shots of various team members (not any I think of Stevo) and the Magura brakes are quite a lot more exposed than in the Bike Radar shots
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I reckon that's in Triathlon mode -
The bidon would certainly suggest so.Team My Man 2018: David gaudu, Pierre Latour, Romain Bardet, Thibaut pinot, Alexandre Geniez, Florian Senechal, Warren Barguil, Benoit Cosnefroy0 -
I reckon that's in Triathlon mode -
The bidon would certainly suggest so.
The bottle is legal. It's the bottle used by most Pro riders. It conforms to the latest UCI rules on bottles - and for most bikes seems to actually add to the aerodynamics of the frame.
As for the front brakes on the P5 - this is NOT the "P5-6" which is the triathlon version and has a much deeper front fork. On this version, the brake blends into the fork.
This is the P5-3 (UCI-legal) with a front brake cover. Brake covers like this are legal, as long as the brake cover plus fork do not exceed 16cm. Sky's Pinarello Bolide has something similar.0 -
I reckon that's in Triathlon mode -
The bidon would certainly suggest so.
The bottle is legal. It's the bottle used by most Pro riders. It conforms to the latest UCI rules on bottles - and for most bikes seems to actually add to the aerodynamics of the frame.
Fair enough. I knew a bottle gives an aerodynamic advantage, but was obviously misremembering the rule change.Team My Man 2018: David gaudu, Pierre Latour, Romain Bardet, Thibaut pinot, Alexandre Geniez, Florian Senechal, Warren Barguil, Benoit Cosnefroy0 -
I reckon that's in Triathlon mode -
The bidon would certainly suggest so.
The bottle is legal. It's the bottle used by most Pro riders. It conforms to the latest UCI rules on bottles - and for most bikes seems to actually add to the aerodynamics of the frame.
Fair enough. I knew a bottle gives an aerodynamic advantage, but was obviously misremembering the rule change.
No - there was a definite rule change. "Aero" bottles used to be even more so - and quite often would file the gap where the down tube and seat tube meet. This 'filling of the gap' is no longer allowed (like the bottle they designed for the older Cervelo P4. And there was a Specialized bottle that was huge!
There are currently only 2 aero bottles I know of that are on the market and legal, but everyone seems to use the one in the photo (myself included!). It's almost useless for actually drinking from and is likely to eject itself from the frame on bumpy roads, but does seem to make a lot of bikes a bit more aero.0 -
I reckon that's in Triathlon mode -
The bidon would certainly suggest so.
The bottle is legal. It's the bottle used by most Pro riders. It conforms to the latest UCI rules on bottles - and for most bikes seems to actually add to the aerodynamics of the frame.
Fair enough. I knew a bottle gives an aerodynamic advantage, but was obviously misremembering the rule change.
No - there was a definite rule change. "Aero" bottles used to be even more so - and quite often would file the gap where the down tube and seat tube meet. This 'filling of the gap' is no longer allowed (like the bottle they designed for the older Cervelo P4. And there was a Specialized bottle that was huge!
There are currently only 2 aero bottles I know of that are on the market and legal, but everyone seems to use the one in the photo (myself included!). It's almost useless for actually drinking from and is likely to eject itself from the frame on bumpy roads, but does seem to make a lot of bikes a bit more aero.
Yeah, I meant I was misremembering what the rule change was iyswim. I was under the impression that they had to be cylindrical, but googled after you corrected and am up to speed(ish).
And tbf, that cervelo one was taking the piss.Team My Man 2018: David gaudu, Pierre Latour, Romain Bardet, Thibaut pinot, Alexandre Geniez, Florian Senechal, Warren Barguil, Benoit Cosnefroy0 -
I reckon that's in Triathlon mode -
The bidon would certainly suggest so.
The bottle is legal. It's the bottle used by most Pro riders. It conforms to the latest UCI rules on bottles - and for most bikes seems to actually add to the aerodynamics of the frame.
As for the front brakes on the P5 - this is NOT the "P5-6" which is the triathlon version and has a much deeper front fork. On this version, the brake blends into the fork.
This is the P5-3 (UCI-legal) with a front brake cover. Brake covers like this are legal, as long as the brake cover plus fork do not exceed 16cm. Sky's Pinarello Bolide has something similar.
That makes sense and looking back I notice that the Tri version has a huge faring that extends from deepened fork to stem. But it doesn't explain why the guys from MTN-Q weren't using the bike with those brakes.
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In fact I have subsequently found a picture of Stevo on his TT bike from the Utrecht Stage ! and he is not using those brakes.
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...Bidons and UCI rules...
From what I remember the Specialized Shiv has an internal bidon inside the frame. Kind of like a Camelbak. I take it from the lack of road bikes with this design feature, it must be banned by the UCI ? Why do the UCI ban these innovations? I think its a neat idea for those of us who don't have a team car following you around with replacement bidons.
"The Prince of Wales is now the King of France" - Calton Kirby0 -
The Shiv with the internal bladder is a different frame and is not UCI legal because the down tube ( among other things) is too deep so outside the rules. I don't think the bladder concept itself is outlawed but I could be wrong.0
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iirc, the UCI compliant p5-3 has been discontinued by cervélo. with the P2? P3 and P5-6 remaining.
I'm not certain whether the P3 and P5-3 share the same fork?0 -
i love all this tech but that is one ugly bike0
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Shiv Tri or P5-3?i love all this tech but that is one ugly bike
I have a P5-3 and think it looks great...
the Shiv Tri ... :shock:0 -
The Shiv with the internal bladder is a different frame and is not UCI legal because the down tube ( among other things) is too deep so outside the rules. I don't think the bladder concept itself is outlawed but I could be wrong.
This is correct. The bladder isn't illegal - it was the size of the frame tubing.
For the most part - time trials aren't long enough to require such an innovation in UCI races, so it's pointless designing bikes like this. However, in triathlons where the distances are much further (and you're not restricted by UCI bike rules), you can do it.0 -
I reckon that's in Triathlon mode -
The bidon would certainly suggest so.
The bottle is legal. It's the bottle used by most Pro riders. It conforms to the latest UCI rules on bottles - and for most bikes seems to actually add to the aerodynamics of the frame.
As for the front brakes on the P5 - this is NOT the "P5-6" which is the triathlon version and has a much deeper front fork. On this version, the brake blends into the fork.
This is the P5-3 (UCI-legal) with a front brake cover. Brake covers like this are legal, as long as the brake cover plus fork do not exceed 16cm. Sky's Pinarello Bolide has something similar.
That makes sense and looking back I notice that the Tri version has a huge faring that extends from deepened fork to stem. But it doesn't explain why the guys from MTN-Q weren't using the bike with those brakes.
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In fact I have subsequently found a picture of Stevo on his TT bike from the Utrecht Stage ! and he is not using those brakes.
They are the same brakes - it's just the ones you originally posted had the cover still on them. But you are correct - the covers have been removed for racing. So perhaps I was wrong (although I did read the rules to check).0 -
They are the same brakes - it's just the ones you originally posted had the cover still on them. But you are correct - the covers have been removed for racing. So perhaps I was wrong (although I did read the rules to check).
As a real competitor you would know this better than I would - but I have been told that the commissionaires can have a "unusual" concept of the rules sometimes and that you do not argue - just shrug your shoulders and do as you have been instructed.
I think it looks awesome as a bike (in a category where many look hideous) - one of the reasons I noticed the brake difference is that I had been looking at the manufacturers' websites drooling0 -
They are the same brakes - it's just the ones you originally posted had the cover still on them. But you are correct - the covers have been removed for racing. So perhaps I was wrong (although I did read the rules to check).
As a real competitor you would know this better than I would - but I have been told that the commissionaires can have a "unusual" concept of the rules sometimes and that you do not argue - just shrug your shoulders and do as you have been instructed.
I think it looks awesome as a bike (in a category where many look hideous) - one of the reasons I noticed the brake difference is that I had been looking at the manufacturers' websites drooling
You can ALWAYS argue with the commissaries, especially if you are right. It sometimes helps to have a copy of the rules handy (like on your phone). I have butted heads with them on more than one occasion over rules (and always won).
However, you also have to be careful. I made a comment about the 'inadequacies" of the Irish Commissaires recently on Facebook in relation to them bungling the rules (ironically over this same P5 bike) at the recent National Championships. They filed a protest with Cycling Ireland over my comments and I had to write an apology letter. (Even though I was right, my comment used poor language to say the least).0
