Paris legalises the RLJ
imatfaal
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well at least a few instances
http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest-news/cyclists-in-paris-are-now-allowed-to-jump-red-lights-181510#eQVqBjHhaRfwVEfR.99
seems a good idea - although Pedestrians are gonna be thinking they can cross which could lead to confusion
http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest-news/cyclists-in-paris-are-now-allowed-to-jump-red-lights-181510#eQVqBjHhaRfwVEfR.99
seems a good idea - although Pedestrians are gonna be thinking they can cross which could lead to confusion
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although Pedestrians are gonna be thinking they can cross which could lead to confusion
Pedestrians can still cross, cyclists will only be able to proceed if the way is clear.
But a good initiative0 -
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All the headlines, including this thread, saying that RLJ is now legal in Paris, when that isn't the case at all!0
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although Pedestrians are gonna be thinking they can cross which could lead to confusion
Pedestrians can still cross, cyclists will only be able to proceed if the way is clear.
But a good initiative
Re the Peds - That's what I meant even though I now find I wrote the exact opposite :-)0 -
All the headlines, including this thread, saying that RLJ is now legal in Paris, when that isn't the case at all!
Don't just leave it at that...
If the traffic light has a triangular sign underneath then the cars stop and cyclists don't have to if they are in the circumstances in the picture above.
"Le cédez le passage cycliste au feu, comment ça marche ?"
Cyclists passing through a red, how does this work?
How is that not going through a red light0 -
Cars turning right in France (and most of Europe and a lot of the world) have to give way to pedestrians crossing the road they are turning into (the green lights for pedestrians crossing and traffic come on at the same time, rather than the additional pedestrian only phase the UK has).0
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All the headlines, including this thread, saying that RLJ is now legal in Paris, when that isn't the case at all!
Don't just leave it at that...
If the traffic light has a triangular sign underneath then the cars stop and cyclists don't have to if they are in the circumstances in the picture above.
"Le cédez le passage cycliste au feu, comment ça marche ?"
Cyclists passing through a red, how does this work?
How is that not going through a red light
It was my understanding that cycles would have their own mini traffic lights, and its those lights they would have go by, not the main lights. So it's not RLJ and more than we would go past a red when there is a left filter arrow showing.0 -
I'd support a turn on left for all vehicles in the UK. Makes sense to keep traffic moving if the crossing is clear. I noticed in the US that they prohibit it at busy junctions, so that could be done in town centres etc.0
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Not according to pic above.It was my understanding that cycles would have their own mini traffic lights, and its those lights they would have go by, not the main lights. So it's not RLJ and more than we would go past a red when there is a left filter arrow showing.
Light is red, sign below it indicates that cyclists are allowed to continue either right or straight ahead.0 -
If you think this is questionable, just think - any vehicle can turn right on red in North America. All you have to do is avoid pedestrians. Since no one walks in most parts of the US, it doesn't seem to be an issue.
If implemented here, it would effectively be a head start for left turning cyclists, after the peds have finished. So, pretty much what nodders do now anyway.0 -
If you think this is questionable, just think - any vehicle can turn right on red in North America. All you have to do is avoid pedestrians. Since no one walks in most parts of the US, it doesn't seem to be an issue.
It doesn't seem to be an issue when there is pedestrians either. I've walked in some US cities on the typical crossroads between blocks there will be crosswalks (zebra crossings) and right turning cars always give way to peds IME. It's about using your common sense and giving way to other users, rather than the car always has right of way, as many drivers in the UK think.0 -
although Pedestrians are gonna be thinking they can cross which could lead to confusion
Pedestrians can still cross, cyclists will only be able to proceed if the way is clear.
But a good initiative
people will have to open their eyes and think a bit...the Horror!We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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although Pedestrians are gonna be thinking they can cross which could lead to confusion
Pedestrians can still cross, cyclists will only be able to proceed if the way is clear.
But a good initiative
people will have to open their eyes and think a bit...the Horror!
And that's where it is going to fail. Badly.
People are just not used to it, and it will cause loads of problems.
I think cyclists will be made to look bad at the expense of idiots.
A bit like now, but worse.0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19678069#p19678069]Snakebite the 2nd[/url] wrote:although Pedestrians are gonna be thinking they can cross which could lead to confusion
Pedestrians can still cross, cyclists will only be able to proceed if the way is clear.
But a good initiative
people will have to open their eyes and think a bit...the Horror!
And that's where it is going to fail. Badly.
People are just not used to it, and it will cause loads of problems.
I think cyclists will be made to look bad at the expense of idiots.
A bit like now, but worse.
Good policy paralyzed by fear. Sounds pretty British to me
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Thankfully for Parisian cyclists, whoever makes the rules has a bit more faith in people than their ros-beouf equivalents
I'm sorry but as a whole I do not have much faith in the public en mass.
There are very decent people out there, and then there are just idiots.0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19678069#p19678069]Snakebite the 2nd[/url] wrote:although Pedestrians are gonna be thinking they can cross which could lead to confusion
Pedestrians can still cross, cyclists will only be able to proceed if the way is clear.
But a good initiative
people will have to open their eyes and think a bit...the Horror!
And that's where it is going to fail. Badly.
People are just not used to it, and it will cause loads of problems.
I think cyclists will be made to look bad at the expense of idiots.
A bit like now, but worse.
Good policy paralyzed by fear. Sounds pretty British to me
Not paralysed by fear, but by stupidity.
Have a look at a busy high street on a Saturday for pedestrian awareness of others around them!0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19678207#p19678207]Snakebite the 2nd[/url] wrote:Thankfully for Parisian cyclists, whoever makes the rules has a bit more faith in people than their ros-beouf equivalents
I'm sorry but as a whole I do not have much faith in the public en mass.
There are very decent people out there, and then there are just idiots.
You could cope with it but the 'public' couldn't :roll:0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19678207#p19678207]Snakebite the 2nd[/url] wrote:Thankfully for Parisian cyclists, whoever makes the rules has a bit more faith in people than their ros-beouf equivalents
I'm sorry but as a whole I do not have much faith in the public en mass.
There are very decent people out there, and then there are just idiots.
You could cope with it but the 'public' couldn't :roll:
Sort of. 8)0 -
If you think this is questionable, just think - any vehicle can turn right on red in North America. All you have to do is avoid pedestrians. Since no one walks in most parts of the US, it doesn't seem to be an issue.
Bit of an issue for this little girl, sadly. The response of the court was preposterous. NB: not meant to be judgmental on First Aspect's post or contents, more highlighting how dangerous these junctions can be."Mummy Mummy, when will I grow up?"
"Don't be silly son, you're a bloke, you'll never grow up"0 -
That's truly awful.If you think this is questionable, just think - any vehicle can turn right on red in North America. All you have to do is avoid pedestrians. Since no one walks in most parts of the US, it doesn't seem to be an issue.
Bit of an issue for this little girl, sadly. The response of the court was preposterous. NB: not meant to be judgmental on First Aspect's post or contents, more highlighting how dangerous these junctions can be.
It doesn't relate to the right turn on red situation though; it was a left turn on green. Astonishingly, on most intersections, green for the pedestrians and the vehicles are synchronised, so that vehicles turning left cross the path of pedestrians crossing the road on their own green. It keeps the traffic flowing by cutting down the length of the whole cycle, but you never feel safe on foot because at no stage can you stop checking for traffic. That's North America for you.0
