Genesis Datum ADVENTURE BIKE!

bendertherobot

Emphasis added.



Hurrah! Nice paint job.

Hurrah! Good drivetrain?

Hurrah! Tiagra for £1799.

Hang on...........

ddraver

Can't see any info on it on the web - what sort of bike is it?

Looks carbon no?

bendertherobot

I think so. Certainly looks like. Nothing else out there. But, still, my PX with Apex cost £799, normally £999. Even accounting for the better brakes that's yet another poor value Genesis.

ddraver

Harsh - but admittedly I bought mine frame only...

My Zero is an exceptional frame, which is what's important afterall.

Where did you see the pic?

timothyw

It does seem a little early to criticise given that neither the spec or price appears officially confirmed - where did you find the pic/info?

It is at least the new Tiagra groupset, which looks a lot more classy than the fugly old one.

Still, Genesis do have a good history of fire-sales when models aren't selling well (eg the Volare 10 and 20 now), so if you hold on long enough you might get one for cheap.

bendertherobot

It's on road.cc and bikeradar facebook pages. No details.

I may be being harsh, and it is new Tiagra as stated, but, and I say this with Genesis being one of my favourite brands, you can, generally, build their bikes cheaper than they assemble them. I think that's a massive shame given that they are, essentially, the Shimano importer and can't, as I understand it, get a good deal on groupsets.

bendertherobot

[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19637984#p19637984]ddraver[/url] wrote:

Harsh - but admittedly I bought mine frame only...

My Zero is an exceptional frame, which is what's important afterall.

Where did you see the pic?

Oddly, the zero is one of the framesets where it makes more sense (groupset depending) to buy the bike!

greasedscotsman

If it had Colnago written on it, I don't think anyone would be comparing it to a Planet X. I really don't get this bike comparison by groupset. Not all frames are the same.

bendertherobot

[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19638017#p19638017]greasedscotsman[/url] wrote:

If it had Colnago written on it, I don't think anyone would be comparing it to a Planet X. I really don't get this bike comparison by groupset. Not all frames are the same.

Indeed they are not. But we know that most of them are made "similarly". If you like I could compare it to, something like the Giant TCX Advanced Pro at the same price. With 105 22 speed. A similar if perhaps not identical bike.

I realise that this will be a talking point and apologise if anyone feels upset at my comment but, it seems to me, Tiagra at £1799 is a considerable amount of money now. It's a shame it can't be 105 22 or even Rival, the latter, of course, will never happen.

FWIW, I think it's a stunner and will keep an eye on it in the closeout sales

bendertherobot

Here's the slightly cheaper version with Promax brakes:



£1699. The 105 version is £2099 (albeit hydraulic). That should mean that the Genesis 105 version is £2199?

Alb

Direct sellers (Planet X, etc) are always going to be cheaper as there's no dealer margin in the equation.

ddraver

I hope it's not an Avro copy - I would hope for something more...ahem...gravelly from Genesis. The fork looks to have way more clearance so that's a start...

bendertherobot

[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19638156#p19638156]ddraver[/url] wrote:

I hope it's not an Avro copy - I would hope for something more...ahem...gravelly from Genesis. The fork looks to have way more clearance so that's a start...

http://www.genesisbikes.co.uk/blog/28/06/15/un-gravelling-the-new-datum

bendertherobot

The frameset price is slightly better (surprisingly) than the Zero. So you could put together a 105 or Rival build with better wheels than the Fulcrums for RRP. Depends if you can be bothered, of course.

bendertherobot

http://www.genesisbikes.co.uk/img/uploads/images/IMG_7397.jpg

I'm guessing they will drill a hole eventually?

greasedscotsman

Call that a headtube? Now that's a headtube!

bendertherobot

Look like, at most, 25c as well! Probably much thinner!

veronese68

This is the information from Genesis
I must say I like the look of it. Not keen on the press fit bottom bracket but I like everything else about it. Don't know if I'd actually buy one though. I still have an irrational fear of carbon, even though the Kinesis I've been abusing for the last couple of years has a full carbon fork.

Edit: Aah bollox! Bender has beaten me to it with the link. Pesky customers bothering me when I'm mid-post.

ddraver

[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19638197#p19638197]bendertherobot[/url] wrote:

[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19638156#p19638156]ddraver[/url] wrote:

I hope it's not an Avro copy - I would hope for something more...ahem...gravelly from Genesis. The fork looks to have way more clearance so that's a start...

http://www.genesisbikes.co.uk/blog/28/06/15/un-gravelling-the-new-datum

*smug mode*

bendertherobot

[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19638218#p19638218]ddraver[/url] wrote:

[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19638197#p19638197]bendertherobot[/url] wrote:

[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19638156#p19638156]ddraver[/url] wrote:

I hope it's not an Avro copy - I would hope for something more...ahem...gravelly from Genesis. The fork looks to have way more clearance so that's a start...

http://www.genesisbikes.co.uk/blog/28/06/15/un-gravelling-the-new-datum

*smug mode*

Comparing the measurements (fork aside) they are definitely different. Not massively. But different.

ddraver

yeah (for no reason at all) I like the look of an Adventure/Gravel/thingum bike for long distance, country lane, bridelway, winter road sort of riding that I could also use for bikepacking in summer

When people start making larger tubeless tyres that is...

bendertherobot

The thing about gravel racers is that, arguably, we've had them for a while. It's just that the fashionable material is now making a play.

You're right on tubeless mind. Unless it's CX or MTB they tend to stop at 28.....................

ddraver

Road.cc are very complimentary about it - http://road.cc/content/review/161471-genesis-datum-30

Sounds like a bike right up my alley

bendertherobot

Stiff ride but 9/10. And 3k. Hmm. I'll stick with steel I think......

samsbike

I quite like it as long as it feels like a road bike.

I am not sure if that rides stiff bit has to do with the comparison to the Giant or in general. It would be a bit worrying if its that stiff even with 30c tires on it.

bendertherobot

That seems to be the case. If it is I'm not sure what the point is. A mason is cheaper.

the_fuggler

Looking forward to seeing one in my LBS. Due in November I believe. I'm told they look very nice in the flesh. Certainly would suit the Cornish lanes. Hmmmm....

cycleclinic

I think it looks like a fine bike but the pricing would make it a difficult sell and what's wrong with tubeless cx tyres. Some country lanes are more like tracks anyway.

lawman

Just ordered myself a Datum 20, gonna be a long wait but looking forward to it! after years on MTB's it'll be my first road bike, the potential versatility won me over to the Datum, should be a heck of a bike!

Monty Dog

Based on some of the gravel races I've ridden, you'd hope it's light because you'll be carrying it a lot! IMO, adventure bikes need to accept 40mm+ tyres if you have any serious ambitions about taking it offroad.

ugo.santalucia

3 K for a 9 Kg gravel bike... seems a bit rich TBH... you can buy lighter cyclocross bikes for a lot less than that. I bet the aluminium Giant disc crosser weighs less than that