Volare 853 or Road Logic

rowlers

Looking to buy a new steel frame to build up as an "everyday" bike. No racing, just club runs, and general riding.
I like both of the above and can't decide!
Anyone have any ideas what the strengths and weaknesses of each frame?
Any others is should consider?
Should I revisit a Waltly Ti?

Cheers

arlowood

For my money I would be looking at the Equilibrium 853 rather than the Volare. True it has a steel rather than a carbon fork but to counter that it does have mudguard eyelets front and rear to give you more flexibility for general purpose and winter riding.

The Volare also has a pressfit BB and I'm not a great fan of those compared top the standard threaded version on the Equilibrium

http://www.totalcycling.com/en/gb/Genes ... 18021.aspx

luv2ride

Liking the look of the Road Logic 2 frameset myself. Proving difficult not to press the "buy" button, been hovering for a couple of months now!

rowlers

arlowood wrote:

For my money I would be looking at the Equilibrium 853 rather than the Volare. True it has a steel rather than a carbon fork but to counter that it does have mudguard eyelets front and rear to give you more flexibility for general purpose and winter riding.

The Volare also has a pressfit BB and I'm not a great fan of those compared top the standard threaded version on the Equilibrium

http://www.totalcycling.com/en/gb/Genes ... 18021.aspx

Good point about the press fit, I've had zero issues on my Felt F1, but if rarely sees rain!
A carbon fok is a must though...

Grill

Road Logic is solid. For the money there's pretty much nothing out there that competes.

rowlers

Grill wrote:

Road Logic is solid. For the money there's pretty much nothing out there that competes.

Great comment, I think that about seals it ..

stevie63

Yeah that is only one correct answer to this question and that is Road Logic (however I am biased)

cycleclinic

I think you'll find the 2015 equilibrium has a carbon fork and the volare uses a BB86 shell and BB86 press fit BB's are reliable (it not like BB30)

The answer is but the bike that fits you best, they are all great frames.

luv2ride

stevie63 wrote:

Yeah that is only one correct answer to this question and that is Road Logic (however I am biased)

Triton Cycles were doing good deals on the frameset:
http://www.tritoncycles.co.uk/frames-fo ... meset-p964
and interest free possibly?

EDIT. not sure what size you'd need but the 53cm is £699 on pre-order, shipping est 1 Aug. Tempting... :?

rowlers

It looks like acycles is the cheapest, can any one better £605 delivered?

bmxboy10

ACycles are always the cheapest for Ritchey frames. Before you press the button I would be taking a closer look at the Ritchey Swisscross disc especially if its being used as a commuter/bike for all seasons. BTW I have the Equilibrium 631 and its great but heavy.

mroli

Condor Acciaio?

rowlers

solboy10 wrote:

ACycles are always the cheapest for Ritchey frames. Before you press the button I would be taking a closer look at the Ritchey Swisscross disc especially if its being used as a commuter/bike for all seasons. BTW I have the Equilibrium 631 and its great but heavy.

I've got a Pro6 for commuting duties, so don't "need" discs. But will look at the 'cross...

mroli wrote:

Condor Acciaio?

Last time I looked they were extortionate?

mroli

If they've got your size then they are £699 for last year's model:

http://www.condorcycles.com/Sale-Frames/28875-Condor-Acciaio-Frameset/flypage.tpl.html

Otherwise £799.

I think Grill has ridden both and prefers the Road Logic, but I am liking my Acciaio - and compare it to the Ritchey road breakaway steel bike. Which is also a good shout, but more expensive!

http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_nkw=ritchey+breakaway

matt-h

I have the 853 and paid £650 with the Enve fork.
If the Ritchey had been the same price at the time i probably would have bought it on looks.
The 853 has been amazing though. It gets used for clubs runs, social rides and even won a couple of crits on

Matt

bendertherobot

I had the Acciaio. The Logic is a better bike, particularly in the forks IMO.

I have the Swiss Cross now because I want that versatility whilst keeping a lot of what I loved about the Logic.

It's not a better bike. Just a better one for me. In terms of speed it's right up there on the pace of the Logic but obviously that slight bit higher.

It's also a nicer colour

mroli

Ah - it was Bender...

What do you mean by "better bike"? Just interested like - better handling, smoother? I dropped down a size for my Acciaio to get the drop I wanted with a longer stem and really like it - as much as carbon/high end al offerings.

arlowood

Just wondering if a disc frameset is a step too far for the OP?

If not, he can have the carbon fork plus mudguard and rack fixings on the 2015 Equilibrium Disc

http://www.tweekscycles.com/Product.do? ... tAodwwgALQ

£499 would leave plenty in the budget to spec a nice set of tubeless-ready disc wheels when compared to the Volare and Ritchey frame prices

Grill

And about 1kg heavier... Doesn't really compare.

cycleclinic

the eqilibrium disc is a fine bike but a different animal to the ritchey logic. The logic or the volare ride like race bikes, the eqilibrium steel bike ride like an audax bike. it just that little bit slower but it has mudguard and rack mounts so not a similar bike at all.

The Titanium version rides like a Volare does but that is a while lot more expensive.

rowlers

That Equilibrium is nice, but I don't need discs.
I think I'm settled on the Logic. Just need to get the finds together for the build now.
(already ordered Deda Zero100 finishing kit, so I have started )

Grill

Let me know what you need for it. I have a couple of groupsets and lots of finishing kit laying about.

gaanrowl

rowlers wrote:

That Equilibrium is nice, but I don't need discs.
I think I'm settled on the Logic. Just need to get the finds together for the build now.
(already ordered Deda Zero100 finishing kit, so I have started )

Tag on

rowlers

gaanrowl wrote:

rowlers wrote:

That Equilibrium is nice, but I don't need discs.
I think I'm settled on the Logic. Just need to get the finds together for the build now.
(already ordered Deda Zero100 finishing kit, so I have started )

Tag on

I did try to go Ti, but too much $$$!

bendertherobot

mroli wrote:

Ah - it was Bender...

What do you mean by "better bike"? Just interested like - better handling, smoother? I dropped down a size for my Acciaio to get the drop I wanted with a longer stem and really like it - as much as carbon/high end al offerings.

Incrementally about everything really. Stiffer but smoother and more compliant. But the fork in particular should be mentioned. It's a tad lighter and seemed much better at the front end as a result. I rate the Logic as one of the best bikes I've ever owned. If I'd bought the right size it would have been even better.

That's not to denigrate the Acciaio which I thought was a great bike. Aesthetically the Logic wins unless you go custom as you get a matching fork. That always bugged me a little with the Condor (unless you got a black one).

bendertherobot

rowlers wrote:

That Equilibrium is nice, but I don't need discs.
I think I'm settled on the Logic. Just need to get the finds together for the build now.
(already ordered Deda Zero100 finishing kit, so I have started )

Deda on a Ritchey? Stop it right now..............

(actually I like this idea, there is a tendency to over Ritchey a Ritchey and it makes a nice change)

rowlers

bendertherobot wrote:

rowlers wrote:

That Equilibrium is nice, but I don't need discs.
I think I'm settled on the Logic. Just need to get the finds together for the build now.
(already ordered Deda Zero100 finishing kit, so I have started )

Deda on a Ritchey? Stop it right now..............

(actually I like this idea, there is a tendency to over Ritchey a Ritchey and it makes a nice change)

Thats exactly why I didn't go for Ritchey - it was too obvious, and my Felt is finished in WCS... The Zero100 is well priced and seems decent kit, we'll see when it arrives...

mroli

bendertherobot wrote:

Incrementally about everything really. Stiffer but smoother and more compliant. But the fork in particular should be mentioned. It's a tad lighter and seemed much better at the front end as a result. I rate the Logic as one of the best bikes I've ever owned. If I'd bought the right size it would have been even better.

That's not to denigrate the Acciaio which I thought was a great bike. Aesthetically the Logic wins unless you go custom as you get a matching fork. That always bugged me a little with the Condor (unless you got a black one).

Interesting... I'm really happy with acciaio though. Mind you, I don't really notice these incremental things....

gaanrowl

rowlers wrote:

bendertherobot wrote:

rowlers wrote:

That Equilibrium is nice, but I don't need discs.
I think I'm settled on the Logic. Just need to get the finds together for the build now.
(already ordered Deda Zero100 finishing kit, so I have started )

Deda on a Ritchey? Stop it right now..............

(actually I like this idea, there is a tendency to over Ritchey a Ritchey and it makes a nice change)

Thats exactly why I didn't go for Ritchey - it was too obvious, and my Felt is finished in WCS... The Zero100 is well priced and seems decent kit, we'll see when it arrives...

You told me to go Ritchey tho. :shock:

rowlers

Yeah, but I've got Ritchey on Felt and didn't want it on 2 bikes..
You've gone Thompson which is very nice, can you get Thompson bars?

Grill

Yes, Thomson do a carbon bar.

I have Ritchey finishing kit on my Ritchey and have had it on many bikes. Quality kit.