TRP HY-RD vs full hydro road set

Anonymous

I assumed Hy-Rd's were made to solve a problem that no longer exists?
Why would you have half a hydraulic system when you can have a whole one?

I am not trying to argue with anyone (thats the other guy) they are genuine thoughts/questions ;-)

Anonymous

ugo.santalucia wrote:

Carbonator wrote:

We will just have to wait a few years to decide who won the cable actuated hydraulic calliper v full hydraulic debate, and the smaller disc v bigger disc debate.
Not that I am trying to 'win' anything in the first place, or disagree with you on the bigger discs for bigger descent thing anyway :roll: :roll: :roll:

Of course hydraulics will win... but they will also become much cheaper than they are now. The advice to the OP is: don't buy them now... they are too expensive for what they are... in 5 years they will be better and much cheaper. For now HyRD is a very good alternative and much more reasonably priced. I think you can buy two for 190 pounds (and you only really need one at the front) Vs 390 pounds for the lowest rank Shimano hydraulic offering... of course if you also have to buy the shifters, then you might as well go full hydraulics... but the OP wants to use the Chorus he already has IIRC.

Disc size will always be a matter of controversy, as it still is in the MTB world. I occasionally feel undersized with a 160, so would not want to go 140... I have tried 180, but it warps too easily and there is a question mark over the life expectancy of a fork fitted with a disc which is not designed to support.

Oh its cost now is it? That old trump card lol
The OP did not mention cost, but as he did mention electronic I doubly fail to see where cost comes into it???

ugo.santalucia

Carbonator wrote:

I assumed Hy-Rd's were made to solve a problem that no longer exists?

Meanredspider has answered that very well... just read his post

Save your irony, nobody here is trying to be funny...

Anonymous

ugo.santalucia wrote:

Carbonator wrote:

I assumed Hy-Rd's were made to solve a problem that no longer exists?

Meanredspider has answered that very well... just read his post

Save your irony, nobody here is trying to be funny...

The problem that no longer exists is non availability of drop bar hydraulic levers.

I completely agree with what meanredspider says re cable discs and bothering to upgrade to full hydo, and I have never disagreed with anyone re disc size (apart from aesthetic choice of something I don't want yet) but the OP is not in that situation.
Definitely not from an upgrade choice point of view and probably not from a need/usage one.

Stop arguing with me Ugo. Its not helping anyone but your ego.

Are there any alternatives to Hy-Rd's? They have the market cornered in this fantastic innovation if not.

mamil314

Looks wise, i like to keep a low profile as possible since everyone and their grandma on basket bikes are overtaking me uphill. What a sight i would be in a good looking team kit and on a 6k Dogma.

My need for strong breaking power is for commuting safety ( as far as 28 mm tires hold the grip ) and lesser maintenance. Also, some say i intend to achieve under 20 min Richmond Park lap - for which best braking power would be good for confidence and emergencies - but that is completely unfounded and untrue because it would be illegal. And scary to the deer. I also do some Surrey hills weekly and while my cantilevered bike copes with those well, i am curious to see the differences myself.

My conclusion is that there TRP HYRD is comparable to a full hydro system and since it will save me getting another groupset i will be ordering a black pair from wiggle shortly. I hope standard Campag cable set will do the trick, i don't think my frame would accommodate full outer casing.

rafletcher

Carbonator wrote:

ugo.santalucia wrote:

Carbonator wrote:

I assumed Hy-Rd's were made to solve a problem that no longer exists?

Meanredspider has answered that very well... just read his post

Save your irony, nobody here is trying to be funny...

The problem that no longer exists is non availability of drop bar hydraulic levers.

I'm pretty sure full hydraulic drop-bar levers have been around as long as Hy/Rds - though early ones were of course for hydraulic rim brakes.

However, not everyone had pockets deep enough to buy full road hydraulic disc brakes - or, in my case, I'm not willing to pay Shimano's price for that set-up (yet - as Ugo says, prices WILL fall) - so I have mechanical 105 with Hy/Rd's. And for my riding I'm sure they are more than sufficient to lock my wheels up, and they give a good degree of modulation, and work in the wet. Plus there's no adjustment issues (I have the 2nd gen calipers). I've got used to the longer lever pull too.

bendertherobot

Carbonator wrote:

I assumed Hy-Rd's were made to solve a problem that no longer exists?
Why would you have half a hydraulic system when you can have a whole one?

I am not trying to argue with anyone (thats the other guy) they are genuine thoughts/questions ;-)

Are they? Most people have levers on their disc equipped bikes. So adding better brakes is relatively cheap.

If you were building from scratch, then, depending on your groupset, you may be better starting off with hydraulic ready. But both Shimano and SRAM are going to set you back £500 at least. Now, if you're buying Force or Ultegra levers at full RRP then you might as well get the hydraulic version. If you're buying 105 shifters it's more finely balanced.

If you're upgrading then there's very little to be gained, if anything at all, a full swapout rather than, say, replacing BB7's with Hy Rd.

mamil314

I wish Hardknott were not mentioned, i have to do it now.

ugo.santalucia

mamil314 wrote:

Also, some say i intend to achieve under 20 min Richmond Park lap .

Go there before 6 AM for a good time... you should not need to touch the brakes for the all lap, or maybe just feather them before the Kingston gate roundabout

Origami02

mamil314 wrote:

I wish Hardknott were not mentioned, i have to do it now.

Hardknott to now, really,,,,,,,, :oops:

mamil314

The HYRD i received come with 6bolt rotors, should i get the adapters to centrelock or splash out for Freezas? Had i not seen these TRP rotors in their HYRD 'descent simulation' video, i would have definitely gone for Shimano but now i'm in between

N0bodyOfTheGoat

I got fixated on the Pinnacle Arkose range last year, mainly because of the Hylex full hydraulic disc brakes and the price (currently £720 for single speed and £750 for the 10-speed with a bar-end shifter).

But a year on, I'm still using my better half's Saracen Zena 2 for commuting, that she literally used once after a holiday immediately after purchase in 2008 (when I got my Saracen Pylon 8, that now has a terminally ill ~66% seat tube shear just above the top tube).

I still think about "frankensteining" my Specialized Singlecross, which still sits in the garage in an unuseable state after my accident ~18 months ago, swapping the fork to a disc fork and then fitting a Hylex front brake plus a disc front wheel.

I'd be more inclined to either buy a full hydraulic bike or mod my Specialized if the Zena 2 was not around, but despite its weight, the Zena does the job and sadly through working less hours these days we have less disposable income to buy luxury items such as n+1 bikes.