Campag Shamal Mille's

andrewthomas197
andrewthomas197 Posts: 117
edited August 2015 in Road buying advice
Hello,

Can anyone offer me any advice / opinion on the above?

Thanks in advance.

Comments

  • Grill
    Grill Posts: 5,610
    Yes. Make sure to get the correct freehub for your groupset.
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  • mpatts
    mpatts Posts: 1,010
    I have shamals. They are excellent.
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  • mfin
    mfin Posts: 6,729
    I wouldn't bother with Milles, just get Shamal Ultra
  • markyone
    markyone Posts: 1,119
    mfin wrote:
    I wouldn't bother with Milles, just get Shamal Ultra
    Why? imo they now look better with the all new black brake track.
    I have owned the ultra in the past and now have the mille lovely wheels,thats not saying the ultra are not
    as they are lovely wheels as well,i just prefer the all black look and the braking performance of the new version.
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  • bontie
    bontie Posts: 177
    markyone wrote:
    mfin wrote:
    I wouldn't bother with Milles, just get Shamal Ultra
    Why? imo they now look better with the all new black brake track.
    I have owned the ultra in the past and now have the mille lovely wheels,thats not saying the ultra are not
    as they are lovely wheels as well,i just prefer the all black look and the braking performance of the new version.

    Because the black brake track does not stay black for long.
    There are numerous post on ww to show.
  • gotwood25
    gotwood25 Posts: 314
    bontie wrote:
    markyone wrote:
    mfin wrote:
    I wouldn't bother with Milles, just get Shamal Ultra
    Why? imo they now look better with the all new black brake track.
    I have owned the ultra in the past and now have the mille lovely wheels,thats not saying the ultra are not
    as they are lovely wheels as well,i just prefer the all black look and the braking performance of the new version.

    Because the black brake track does not stay black for long.
    There are numerous post on ww to show.

    Yep, I was going to pull the trigger on a set of these but been totally put off by what appears to be the vast majority of owners complaining that the surface wears exceptionally quickly.
  • rc856
    rc856 Posts: 1,144
    I got my Mille a while back....I've also posted on WW about them.
    I had regular Shamals that were a bit old so got these after having a short foray into tubs.
    The Mille look great and the braking is definitely improved.
    Unfortunately, my black brake track started to get silver patches after only my 2nd ride. The second
    ride was wet and I imagine I had grit etc on the pads....still a surprise though.

    I've read of folk putting a couple of thousand miles into them and the track hasn't lost colour.

    I got in touch with Wiggle who replaced the wheels with another set.
    I'm hoping it'll last a lot longer this time because I am a big Shamal fan.
  • Ok, so good old Wiggle delivered them yesterday and put them on today, first ride tomorrow hopefully.

    Good to hear that Wiggle replaced them, if and when the black comes off, was that a difficult process or were they ok about it?

    Thanks for the comments.
  • thegreatdivide
    thegreatdivide Posts: 5,807
    gotwood25 wrote:
    bontie wrote:
    markyone wrote:
    mfin wrote:
    I wouldn't bother with Milles, just get Shamal Ultra
    Why? imo they now look better with the all new black brake track.
    I have owned the ultra in the past and now have the mille lovely wheels,thats not saying the ultra are not
    as they are lovely wheels as well,i just prefer the all black look and the braking performance of the new version.

    Because the black brake track does not stay black for long.
    There are numerous post on ww to show.

    Yep, I was going to pull the trigger on a set of these but been totally put off by what appears to be the vast majority of owners complaining that the surface wears exceptionally quickly.

    Have to agree with this. I saw a totally sha*ged set at the end of this year's soaking Etape Caledonia. No doubt they'll do what Mavic did and release wheels with an improved treatment this year - if they can get it right.
  • mfin
    mfin Posts: 6,729
    I'm convinced it's a cosmetic thing most people are buying them for, if you think they look good then fair enough. If the braking truly is better then it's heavier riders who are gonna benefit most as there's nothing wrong with the braking on regular Shamal Ultras. (On an opposite note I find it a bit funny when a lot of people are perfectly happy to compromise their braking when going for a 50mm carbon wheel in all the cases where it's that look that they lust after in droves).

    Anyway, who cares really, it's another product that some people want, the bulk of them because of the looks which seem to be proven to degrade at the moment.
  • rc856
    rc856 Posts: 1,144
    Ok, so good old Wiggle delivered them yesterday and put them on today, first ride tomorrow hopefully.

    Good to hear that Wiggle replaced them, if and when the black comes off, was that a difficult process or were they ok about it?

    Thanks for the comments.

    Wiggle were great about it. No problems at all :D
    Not sure if they would replace them again though.....I didn't ask either...just hope this pair will be ok.

    Ref the Mavics, I did wonder if I was just unlucky in buying the first gen ones and the later gen will be improved.

    I was going to buy another set of Shamals anyway and was drawn to the look of the Mille.
    With or without the black, braking definitely feels improved to me.
  • RC856 wrote:
    Ok, so good old Wiggle delivered them yesterday and put them on today, first ride tomorrow hopefully.

    Good to hear that Wiggle replaced them, if and when the black comes off, was that a difficult process or were they ok about it?

    Thanks for the comments.

    Wiggle were great about it. No problems at all :D
    Not sure if they would replace them again though.....I didn't ask either...just hope this pair will be ok.

    Ref the Mavics, I did wonder if I was just unlucky in buying the first gen ones and the later gen will be improved.

    I was going to buy another set of Shamals anyway and was drawn to the look of the Mille.
    With or without the black, braking definitely feels improved to me.

    Excellent and thanks, fingers crossed.
  • gotwood25
    gotwood25 Posts: 314
    Well I've just gone against what I said above and ordered some Milles.
    I spoke to the people at Wiggle to confirm that if the braking surface came off under 'normal' wear then replacement/refund would be offered. Tis good enough for me.
  • norvernrob
    norvernrob Posts: 1,448
    No sign of any damage to the brake track coating on my Fulcrum Nites yet, despite hammering through nearly 2 sets of pads due to loads of twisty descending. I do clean all brake tracks and the pads after every ride and haven't been caught in the rain yet.
  • cswitch
    cswitch Posts: 261
    My Shamals have been faultless. 2-3years of riding and never gone out of true despite being swallowed up by the occasional big pothole. Hubs still running okay too though mainly (not always) decent weather.
  • ilm_zero7
    ilm_zero7 Posts: 2,213
    mfin wrote:
    I wouldn't bother with Milles, just get Shamal Ultra
    i have two sets of Ultras, still waiting for them to wear out, but when they do maybe the second generation Mille will be out - for sure it will be the easiest of decisions to make - Shamals are bulletproof wheels
    http://veloviewer.com/SigImage.php?a=3370a&r=3&c=5&u=M&g=p&f=abcdefghij&z=a.png
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  • norvernrob
    norvernrob Posts: 1,448
    Well my Fulcrum Nites got the most abuse they're ever likely to get today (unintentionally!)

    We set off to do a century, 2hrs in it started to p*ss it down and didn't stop for the rest of the ride. The route took us on a lane that turned into a mudbath, it was that bad I had to get off as the wheels wouldn't turn because the whole fork/brakes/seatstay were rammed with mud. I had to poke it out with a stick, and when we got to a main road fill a bottle with puddle water and spray it around the brakes and wheels to get going again.

    The noise when braking was horrendous, I was convinced the brake track would be utterly destroyed but when I got home and cleaned them up it wasn't too bad. A few scratches and slight fading in places, so it's obviously going to wear off over time but if it's mainly dry riding then it should be a long time before they significantly degrade.

    The worst thing about it is that I got my Aksiums ready to put on the bike, but two different weather forecasts said very little chance of rain until lunchtime, then only a 50% chance of light rain! The Met Office site currently says no rain here at all for the next couple of days, it's been raining non stop since I got home at 3pm!
  • DKay
    DKay Posts: 1,652
    As far as I can make out, the brake surface treatment is a plasma electrolytic oxidation / microarc oxidation process. The same treatment is used on space satellite components and was actually used on my old HTC One S. Going off how my HTC stood up to abuse, it's a durable finish, but it can be scratched with moderate pressure from something like a steel nail. The same treatment on a rim braking track isn't going to last too long.
  • norvernrob
    norvernrob Posts: 1,448
    As far as I can make out, the brake surface treatment is a plasma electrolytic oxidation / microarc oxidation process. The same treatment is used on space satellite components and was actually used on my old HTC One S. Going off how my HTC stood up to abuse, it's a durable finish, but it can be scratched with moderate pressure from something like a steel nail. The same treatment on a rim braking track isn't going to last too long.

    Yeah, it shouldn't come off full stop as you pay a fair bit extra for it! If I was buying again I'd just get the normal Zeros.
  • ilm_zero7
    ilm_zero7 Posts: 2,213
    just ridden my first pair - still black, but the wheel performance is top drawer .
    http://veloviewer.com/SigImage.php?a=3370a&r=3&c=5&u=M&g=p&f=abcdefghij&z=a.png
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  • ilm_zero7
    ilm_zero7 Posts: 2,213
    edited August 2015
    Hmm, and the update after 3 rides and 200K, including Box and Leith Hill ? Not good, not good at all ! RFXklcn.jpg
    http://veloviewer.com/SigImage.php?a=3370a&r=3&c=5&u=M&g=p&f=abcdefghij&z=a.png
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  • gotwood25
    gotwood25 Posts: 314
    Hmm, and the update after 3 rides and 200K, including Box and Leith Hill ? Not goo, not good at all ! RFXklcn.jpg

    Ouch, that's pretty bad like. I've hammered mine up and down Ventoux, Galibier, Glandon, D'Huez and the Dolomites in the last few weeks and they are pretty much as new. Good chance you will get a refund/exchange for that I reckon.
  • norvernrob
    norvernrob Posts: 1,448
    Hmm, and the update after 3 rides and 200K, including Box and Leith Hill ? Not goo, not good at all ! RFXklcn.jpg

    That's bad, mine only lightly scratched when the bike was covered in mud after getting lost on a dirt track. Apart from that occasion the black hasn't come off, including a couple of rides in the wet. I did contact I-ride, the UK distributer and they said they would replace them under warranty but it would probably happen again, so I just left it.
  • mfin
    mfin Posts: 6,729
    Common sense would say don't buy a wheel like this if you want it to stay black cos the chances are it won't.
  • Moonbiker
    Moonbiker Posts: 1,706
    I don't get what idea is of theese "black painted" rims is, unless you never use the brakes surely they are always gonna look bad when it wears off?
  • ilm_zero7
    ilm_zero7 Posts: 2,213
    but its not black paint its " ceramic Plasma Electrolytic oxidation"
    so if its an oxidised finsish how come the bond to the aluminium is so CRAP ?
    http://veloviewer.com/SigImage.php?a=3370a&r=3&c=5&u=M&g=p&f=abcdefghij&z=a.png
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  • Grill
    Grill Posts: 5,610
    but its not black paint its " ceramic Plasma Electrolytic oxidation"
    so if its an oxidised finsish how come the bond to the aluminium is so CRAP ?

    This occurs when grit gets caught between the brake pad and the rim which acts like coarse sandpaper. The finish could probably be a bit better, but it makes sense as to why it occurs.
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  • DKay
    DKay Posts: 1,652
    but its not black paint its " ceramic Plasma Electrolytic oxidation"
    so if its an oxidised finsish how come the bond to the aluminium is so CRAP ?

    This occurs when grit gets caught between the brake pad and the rim which acts like coarse sandpaper. The finish could probably be a bit better, but it makes sense as to why it occurs.

    Exactly. It's still just a surface treatment at the end of the day.

    https://youtu.be/ZPZ7y1EDKvk?t=18s
  • cc.cycle
    cc.cycle Posts: 29
    Hmm, and the update after 3 rides and 200K, including Box and Leith Hill ? Not goo, not good at all ! RFXklcn.jpg

    That's bad, mine only lightly scratched when the bike was covered in mud after getting lost on a dirt track. Apart from that occasion the black hasn't come off, including a couple of rides in the wet. I did contact I-ride, the UK distributer and they said they would replace them under warranty but it would probably happen again, so I just left it.


    I own a pair of these. They run great as most people have said. My brake track is so far so good after maybe 300 miles.

    I read on another forum that most retailers are exchanging rims that wear like this photo. Reading around online it seems the first batch might have been not finished quite right. There seems to now be more people with rims that are lasting than not.

    I would say though that as the blue brake pads have those wide grooves in them you really have to check them often for small stones. I have one hairline scratch on my rear wheel from this happening.

    If Mavic can make their black surface last then there is no reason why these campag's shouldn't. There is a guy in my club with the mavics he's had them well over a year now maybe near to two and they are still just like when he bought them.