Real world difference of road vs hybrid commuting
Squawk
Posts: 132
I commute 10 miles each way into London (Beckenham to Cannon Street) and have done for the last year and a half, all on my Trek 7.3 FX hybrid with panniers.
Journey to work is about 40 mins door to door, journey home is more like 46, all dependent on traffic light sequences and traffic. I haven't upgraded to a road bike simply because I can't imagine seeing much more than a couple of mins difference given all the start-stop and I can't justify the expense.
However, we're now contemplating a move out to Orpington. 17 miles each way suddenly looks like a long way on the hybrid, but in order to justify splashing out I need to get an idea of how much time I can realistically save over the commute. I commuted 16 miles each way for 5 weeks last year and I know that takes 1:05-1:15 depending on conditions.
Does anyone have any experience of that or a similar journey on hybrid vs road bike? If so, what kinda time savings do you see on average? I'll likely ride the hybrid in on Monday's with panniers loaded with a week of clothes, leaving four days of baggage free riding regardless of whether I get a new bike.
Squawk
Journey to work is about 40 mins door to door, journey home is more like 46, all dependent on traffic light sequences and traffic. I haven't upgraded to a road bike simply because I can't imagine seeing much more than a couple of mins difference given all the start-stop and I can't justify the expense.
However, we're now contemplating a move out to Orpington. 17 miles each way suddenly looks like a long way on the hybrid, but in order to justify splashing out I need to get an idea of how much time I can realistically save over the commute. I commuted 16 miles each way for 5 weeks last year and I know that takes 1:05-1:15 depending on conditions.
Does anyone have any experience of that or a similar journey on hybrid vs road bike? If so, what kinda time savings do you see on average? I'll likely ride the hybrid in on Monday's with panniers loaded with a week of clothes, leaving four days of baggage free riding regardless of whether I get a new bike.
Squawk
0
Posts
What dont you like about your current bike?
If you buy a better/lighter/more expensive road bike then you might be faster, but if you buy a road bike of similar weight/quality to what you have now then the only difference really is the drop bars allowing you to get in a more aero position. But if your ride is all stop/start you wont take much advantage of this.
Commuting in busy traffic where sitting a bit higher for visibility and more maneuverability are good things, many people say Hybrid is better.
Far be it from me to put someone off buying a shiny new bike but I cant see anything you have written that justifies one?
Having said that, your bike is not the lightest - buying a better/lighter bike could give more speed and/or enjoyment but buying one of similar spec just because of the drop bars doesnt make much sense to me.
If you are going to buy a better bike, I would suggest a test ride on one with drops to see if you like it - that is the real litmus test...
When, like today, I took the CX into work I find myself doing 30mph along embankment trying to keep up with the motorcycle couriers. I really do not think my CX could have taken the pounding that the hybrid has taken over the last 3 years - and the hybrid will cost less than half as much to replace when I finally trash it.
A good hybrid is attainable without massive expenditure and, if you keep the chain set clean, will do years of service; a good road bike is more fun but can become an obsessive money pit.
Use the hybrid - buy a nice road bike for weekends; when the weather is good treat yourself by using the road bike for the commute
When I got it I was about 2-3 months off the bike so my cycling fitness was back to square one. First ride I was not right but managed the ride in about 40 minutes (previously I was doing it in about 36-40 minutes). That was an uncomfortable ride in wind IIRC and I was not feeling good at all (previous hybrid windy days took 45 minutes BTW). The next ride was 33 minutes. Now after about 6 weeks and about 20 commutes (not riding in every day obviously) i am taking 28-32 minutes consistently.
Basically I would say that once I get back to the fitness I was when the hybrid got nicked I expect to get about 10 or more minutes saving on the trip. BTW I won't say how far the commute is because I am more than a little ashamed it is taking so long. I used to do it on my ancient steel road bike in 20-25 minutes.
I only give this overlong summary because I found a drop bar bike to give a decent savings on commute time for me, an unfit individual. I am on a different commute than you. my ride is a steady rise to halfway then more or less downhill all the way into work. It is shorter than yours by some margin and it only has stop start at a few locations in the beginning, just before halfway and in the last bit as I hit town. The rest is a clear run (apart from some roadworks which I can get caught at).
Personally I would say for stop/start I would want a lightweight hybrid for the upright stance. My hybrid was a spesh crosstrail disc so was heavy not least because of the suspension, rack and pannier-full. If I was considering it I would have been better getting a hybrid that was more road bike than mountain bike. I think you can get them as light as a basic road bike (say 9.5kg instead of 13.5kg) for not that much money. You get better visibility on flat bar hybrids than more aero road bikes. However I just prefer drop bars for other benefits to me.
I realise you acknowledge these facts, just wanting to make clear for any casual reader that you cannot conclude road bike is faster than hybrid unless you ride one of comparable qualities. Many people make this conclusion from the type of transition that you have made without thinking about the other differences, because the move to road bike is also a time to upgrade in general.
Two areas where the road bike will win is aero and weight.
Do you have climbing on your route? If so the road bike will likely get up the hills faster.
Do you have significant stretches of road where you'd just head down pedaling and not having to negotiate traffic etc? As the more aero position on the road bike means you can maintain a higher speed for longer.
If it's flat with constant lights and traffic then the hybrid would probably serve just as well.
Why is a road bike lighter? Yes it will be lighter than a heavy hybrid with suspension and/or disc brakes, but many hybrids arent of that style and a road bike wont be lighter just because it has drop bars.
This, plus since the OP has paniers we can assume they are carrying stuff, thus all in the bike, any bike with panniers isn't light.
The hybrid OP has is more on the flat bar roadie than City pottering type.
I haven't noted any increase in time vs a light weight SS road bike vs MTB with paniers etc for city riding even the odd 40 mile return trip, top speed is lower but total speed vs distance is too close to call.
ok I do tend to ride on the hoods ,and am less than aero. but the main advantages of the road bike just seem to be, it feels alot more responsive and I can accelerate quicker vs the hybrid which can take alot of punishment in all weathers
for me the biggest real world difference is my road bike is probably twice the value of the hybrid,so unless there is secure bike storage, the road only comes out at the weekends.
A windy day could add 10-15 minutes onto my 18 mile commute...with the road bike it was nearer 5 and with less aches and pains in the neck and shoulder area. A lighter bike of whatever bar style will help you when pulling away from lights - blast away 30 odd times and it really adds up on a heavy bike
Given the above I'd say the only way to really know is to borrow a road bike and time it. If I do get around to it I'll resurrect the thread and post the results.
and the occasions where being aero matters.
With traffic lights your choice of bike makes little difference to overall time.
As for weight, a flat barred rigid hybrid, all else being equal, is lighter than a road bike as the bars and controls are lighter, my hybrid is 9Kg with a fairly average alloy Carrera frame and only moderately high end parts, if you prefer a Hybrid you can have the same wheels and tyres and brakes (wheel end) as a road bike, you can run a flipped stem and zero rise bars, that will put your hands in about the same position as on the hoodz of a normal road bike which is where most people ride most the time, you can also move your hands inboard of the controls for a slightly improved aero if you want it.
Most the time a fast road setup Hybrid will be just as fast as a similar budget Road bike.
retired 9.6kg Carrera Kraken
The Carrera Hardtail combined thread - come on all you Carrera's!
The Sons Scott Genius RC20 build
Over the distance i can save maybe 3 minutes on the road bike compared to the mtb but the mtb will knacker me more , once up to speed theres not much in it as far as top speed goes as i try to ride as aero as possible on the mtb but its getting it up to speed and the hills which make the weight felt.
I don't like the massive wind-blocking profile so use road/cross bike all the time for commute. It is not just a little more aero, it is heaps better in a headwind when the upright position sucks all my energy and fun,
More importantly a dropped bar gives you loads more comfortable hand positions if you're riding 34 miles/day and narrower bars are better in traffic/paths/bollards etc. Upright is also poor in crosswind and you cannot lower centre of gravity while cornering so loses speed there too. So the actual riding pleasure is less because you can't shift your hands and body around properly: you are just sitting on the bike and not really riding it. If have 34 miles pannier-free riding daily for four days in a row then you could have a lovely time on a dropped bar bike.
Also almost got blown off my road bike in cross winds yesterday, if I had been sitting upright I would have definitely been in the hedge! but this may not matter if you are not on exposed roads.
Hybrid is a really broad spectrum but with mountain bikes that have been partially converted, you are not just at an extreme end of that spectrum, you actually dropped off the end of it into something completely different.
regards
Alan
The bit in bold is largely because of your definition of hybrid. Little of it has anything to do with the drop bars. If OP is comparing hybrid with road bike they probably have a very different definition i.e. a road bike with flat bars and maybe discs.
Is the OP riding your bike?
No they are riding a Trek 7.3 FX hybrid which is essentially a flat bared road bike.
Took all of 30seconds.
retired 9.6kg Carrera Kraken
The Carrera Hardtail combined thread - come on all you Carrera's!
The Sons Scott Genius RC20 build
So, real world difference on my 10 mile commute is... censored all.
Actually that's not quite true. On a few occasions I've managed to get through a couple of sets of lights that I wouldn't have managed on the hybrid, saving a minute each time. The road bike is hugely faster than the hybrid though: in three days of cycling I've set PRs on strava on pretty much every segment I ride on the commute, having ridden most of them over 100 times previously. I took over 30 seconds off my best time up the hill from Peckham.
So, in short. Much much faster if the traffic and lights are non-existent or you can be free flowing, but on a commute where that's not really the case you don't save much time at all.
Still worth it though, love riding the road bike.
Different bikes can make a noticeable difference, but there is also great value in sticking with a bike that fits you perfectly and rides well (assuming that is that case with your hybrid). If you are riding further you may also need to spend a little on new clothing, so bear that in mind. What works for your current commute might not be so great for your longer ride, but you'll only really find that out once you've started doing it.
Nailed it from the go...
Your speed will be determined mostly by your body position (how aero it is) and choice of tyres.
Whether the bike is called road, hybrid or mtb isirrelevant. It's how you set it up that matters.
E.g. a hybrid or a mountain bike with GP4000s and slammed stem will be "faster" than a road bike with Gatorskins and plenty of spacers...
Personally I'd go for drop bars for more comfort during longer commutes.
retired 9.6kg Carrera Kraken
The Carrera Hardtail combined thread - come on all you Carrera's!
The Sons Scott Genius RC20 build
VOODOO CANZO
Come and see me at https://www.facebook.com/biketyke/
In my experience, I have a road bike and a hybrid. I use the hybrid most of the times for conmuting.
Yes, the road bike is faster and the handle bars are not as wide so I found is easier to filter thru traffic too. But also all depends which hybrid. My custom boardman pro is 8.8kg, and is very fast with the new light wheels and carbon bars.
For me, conmuting in my fast hybrid, road bike for everything else!
Nice one