really schwalbe?

mike hunts alpine

http://m.pinkbike.com/news/schwalbes-procore-only-available-lbs-2015.html
This is a money maker for sure.
Schwalbe says as it invents a potential killer of punctures. "Oh hey mountain bikers, we seen you coming" laughs all the way to the bank.

rockmonkeysc

Seems like a good idea to me, get people back to their local shops who can't compete with online retailers.
Personally I don't like Schwalbe tyres so will be sticking with Specialized tyres from my local shop for now.

jimothy78

RockmonkeySC wrote:

Personally I don't like Schwalbe tyres so will be sticking with Specialized tyres from my local shop for now.

I believe you're meant to be able to use the procore inners with any tubeless-ready tyres. Not that I'll be lining up to give them my money...

mike hunts alpine

Surely what they are saying is against consumer rights?

poah

maybe

Ferrals

There are a fair few things where warrenty is voided if it's not fitted by a registered person rant there? Though I can't think of any offhand. Seems reasonable to me

Lewis A

Read the second-to-top comment on the article;

I'm assuming that it's insurance against people installing the system incorrectly, and then coming back to them with sculptures for wheels and saying:

"But Schwalbe said I could run 1psi, and become the best rider in the world, and get all the girls, and that Sam Hill will be my friend, with these wheels that don't work?"

This is exactly why they're doing it, the support for lbs' is just an added bonus publicity wise.

poah

Ferrals wrote:

There are a fair few things where warrenty is voided if it's not fitted by a registered person rant there? Though I can't think of any offhand. Seems reasonable to me

only way they can do that if there is an actual health and safety issue like gas repairs or installations in the house. fitting an thick inner tube and tyre is not one of those things. Frankly if there is such a health and safety issue with the system, I'd not want it on my bike (not that I can as I only have 19mm rims)

lawman

mike hunts alpine wrote:

Surely what they are saying is against consumer rights?

What the fark are you on about? I say props to Schwalbe for supporting LBS's rather than letting the likes of CRC destroy local businesses, just a shame more companies aren't taking a similar stance.

rockmonkeysc

If they want to insist that their product is only available if installed by approved shops then thats up to them. Its nothing to do with consumer rights.
If you don't like that then don't buy it.

The Northern Monkey

I can't even get tubeless set up, probably best I leave this to the LBS anyway

poah

lawman wrote:

mike hunts alpine wrote:

Surely what they are saying is against consumer rights?

What the fark are you on about? I say props to Schwalbe for supporting LBS's rather than letting the likes of CRC destroy local businesses, just a shame more companies aren't taking a similar stance.

if they only do this in the UK then they will be breaking the law

njee20

How so?

benpinnick

njee20 wrote:

How so?

Quite. They can choose who and how they want to distribute. There is two things they'd not be allowed to do:

1 - reject a warranty claim without good grounds if not fitted in an authorised shop
2 - Conspire to fix the price for this product with another manufacturer (which there arent any of course)

Picking who they want to deal with is up to them. I think its a good idea TBH, its a specialist product from a company that wants to support specialist shops. Fair play to them.

mike hunts alpine

Say you bought it from CRC it came then you opened it to find some of the equip was faulty or damaged. They wouldn't refund or replace it? I'm sure CRC would for the sake of customer service anyway to be fair. That's what I was trying to say.

benpinnick

I doubt they would replace it - why should they? Your warranty is with the shop you bought it from. If you phoned them up and said you bought a pro-core out of the back of a van but it turns out its got an issue, would you expect them to sort you out? Like you say though I am sure that CRC would replace it. Further I am sure sometime soon they will appear online - they always do.

njee20

Indeed, if CRC are not an official dealer then Schwalbe have every right to reject a warranty claim - it's not a legitimate source. I imagine CRC would sort you out though.

Schwalbe can choose to only sell ProCore to one shop in Nottingham if they want, their product!

mike hunts alpine

Its as if they don't have much confidence in their product or something. May be wrong but just a thought. It doesn't bother me as a stans kit is £45 with similar results. It won't be too long until other manufacturer's to come up with a cheaper alternative with similar results anyway I'd say.

njee20

It's not really anything like a Stan's kit, but agree if it's successful someone else will probably do something similar.

It's got quite a specific use case, and won't be for most people.

rockmonkeysc

Will be a difficult patent to get around. I think it's going to be a while before we see a similar alternative.
It probably more a lack of confidence in customers DIY skills than a lack of confidence in their product.
No manufacturer will go in to mass production unless they have absolute confidence in their product. Failure of a single product can result in millions lost through warranty claims and maybe even the end of the company.

step83

Looking at how it works I would prefer an LBS to do it anyway. Its in effect a tyre on a tyre



I quite like that you need to get an LBS to fit it. Otherwise some morons going to cram it onto a 19 or 21mm rim and moan when it goes wrong on them. Theres no legal issue with what they are doing they can justify it needs to be done by a certified person.

Would you let an uncertified electrician come in and wire you up a new fusebox?

taffygriffiths

Do we even have an idea of how much this contraption will cost? At the going rate of Schwalbe tyres... A LOT I guess!

On the note of supporting the LBS. I would love to, but it makes me sick looking at the prices some of them charge for parts!! A few of my LBS' are still selling reverbs at £325!!

rockmonkeysc

Independent shops dont have the buying power of big online sellers and have much higher overheads. They cant afford to sell at the miniscule margins the online sellers manage. They are buying some parts from their suppliers at a higher price than CRC sell the same part to the public.
When CRC are selling hundreds of parts an hour they can afford to make a few pounds on each part, your local shop sells a few parts an hour and has to make enough to pay the staffs wages, shop rent, utilities bills etc.
They don't do it to make huge profits out of you.

Angus Young

Step83 wrote:

Looking at how it works I would prefer an LBS to do it anyway. Its in effect a tyre on a tyre



I quite like that you need to get an LBS to fit it. Otherwise some morons going to cram it onto a 19 or 21mm rim and moan when it goes wrong on them. Theres no legal issue with what they are doing they can justify it needs to be done by a certified person.

Would you let an uncertified electrician come in and wire you up a new fusebox?

Do we really need something in the way of tyres that is so complicated that we need a specialist to fit it? That's only going to end in tears.

taffygriffiths

RockmonkeySC wrote:

Independent shops dont have the buying power of big online sellers and have much higher overheads. They cant afford to sell at the miniscule margins the online sellers manage. They are buying some parts from their suppliers at a higher price than CRC sell the same part to the public.
When CRC are selling hundreds of parts an hour they can afford to make a few pounds on each part, your local shop sells a few parts an hour and has to make enough to pay the staffs wages, shop rent, utilities bills etc.
They don't do it to make huge profits out of you.

I wholly appreciate that. If i was a betting man, i would say that some buy from CRC themselves!

But... we are all out there to get the best price for what we spend our money on really? and i'm not restricting it to just CRC or Wiggle... there are quite a few online shops that are actually singluar, independant high street stores too, who have prices 'more aligned' with what we expect.

Anyway.. i do believe this is a subject for another (probably the thousandth) thread!

poah

Step83 wrote:

Looking at how it works I would prefer an LBS to do it anyway. Its in effect a tyre on a tyre

doesn't look complicated

Step83 wrote:

Would you let an uncertified electrician come in and wire you up a new fusebox?

totally not the same thing

The Northern Monkey

Sure I read 170 quid for the full system.. thats f+r. May have dreamt it.

Dick Scruttock

£157

http://shop.18bikes.co.uk/m11b0s534p234 ... ystem-2015

poah

and how many of us will actually need it

Dick Scruttock

Life expectancy of the nobbles on a scwalbe tyre running at those psi's could be counted in seconds in most peoples riding environments.

The Rookie

It's probably a downhill only thing at the moment, for a downhill racer it makes some sense, for any other usage it doesn't, in fact highly unlikely to be found in the bike pictured in the original linked to article.

You can by similar for motorised off-road bikes, a work colleague has some in his (he also rides pedalled powered as it happens).