On One Pickenflick? (Also known as make my Ritchey fit me!)

bendertherobot

Reports?

Look, I searched, couldn't find anything.

And I intend to use it for road, hence being in here for a better audience!

Pryally

I have two, one set up with cx1 and the other with 6800. Great frame prefer it to my kinesis atr ti frame

Let me know if you have any more questions

bendertherobot

That's just what I wanted to hear!

I'm planning on the stock Sram Rival Hydro set up. CX chainset, medium cage, 11-32 etc.

I already have a Bivio and a PX XLS so this will actually be my best bike. For summer riding, sportive, long distance etc. I don't plan breaking any climbing or speed records.

I do plan on running 28c etc. Basically I see it as my Gran Tourer.

But, I can also not worry about where I ride with it. Some of the lanes and surfaces round here are terrible.

Basically plan is:

1. Bivio, commuter and really bad CX races.

2. XLS, the firm dry CX races.

3. Pickenflick, best bike.

Thoughts?

bendertherobot

btw, what makes it better than the ATR in your view? (Which is way outside my price range)

ugo.santalucia

I see a potential flaw in your plan: you have an alloy CX frame and a carbon one... now you get a titanium one... but that inevitably will create a void that can only be filled with a steel Ritchey Swiss Cross...

gweeds

Gut feeling is you're ending up with 3 bikes that do a fairly similar job. I'd pick something less 'do it all' as a best bike for longer on-road rides.

bendertherobot

Gut feeling is you're right. But, consider the rides I do. 90% of my time is commuting. So the XLS and Bivio do that. In summer, yes, I do commute further, take the long way home. But, of the time spent on my best bike, 90% of it is just pottering round. Occasionally I do a sportive, occasionally I do a back to back long ride. So, for example, in May this year I do a charity ride. 100 miles Tenby to Cardiff then, next day, the return leg. Variable roads, mates, lunch, odd pub stop.

THere's nothing in my riding that requires anything with rim brakes, for example. The obvious answer here is n-1. But that's not going to happen. The only road bike alternative I'd remotely consider is a Canyon AL SLX.

Ugo, that void is true. But paligap have kindly put the price up to over a grand now. When you could get it on sale for £799 it was looking like a doable option. Now, even with Sram Force etc, it's going to be well over £2k. Probably getting on for £2.3k

gweeds

How about this then - do nothing. Stick with what you have until you know whether you need it.

gweeds

OBVIOUSLY JOKING - AS IF I'D EVER SAY 'DON'T BUY A NEW BIKE'

bendertherobot

I know

But sticking with it would involve a too big bike staying in the garage. So that has to be sorted anyway. n-1 for now.

Just planning for what happens next.

FWIW, I don't really see them as 3 similar bikes. The Bivio is just my utility bike. Not really lush enough for doing stuff other than commuting or really dirty cross. So really it doesn't factor into plans.

On that basis, it's just about whether to adda Pickenflick to the XLS. Now, they do have similar geometry but I see them as different things even though they share a lot.

Arguably, if I were to do a racy sportive tomorrow I might even take the XLS with some tubeless Schwalbe One on there.

But for the long distance stuff the Pickenflick seems to fit the bill.

ugo.santalucia

bendertherobot wrote:

Ugo, that void is true. But paligap have kindly put the price up to over a grand now. When you could get it on sale for £799 it was looking like a doable option. Now, even with Sram Force etc, it's going to be well over £2k. Probably getting on for £2.3k

Yes, but isn't that the one you want? IME is pointless to settle for second best on the grounds of saving some money, you will always go back to the first choice and will end up buying twice.

The Pickenflick is incredible value for money, considering titanium + hydraulics, but is it the one you want? Also, I have the feeling is going to be another tank... probably 9-10 Kg or so

gweeds

I'm with Ugo. For best bike get something really special.....

bendertherobot

Can't afford it. I can afford to buy whatever I get from the sale of the Ritchey. Maximum of £1800. Probably more like £1600.

Just checked and the Ritchey is £1170 frame and forks. Same weight, overall, as the On One. Building that up will cost me at least £2k as said above.

Weight wise the Ritchey and On One are the same. Lighter frame on the On One, heavier fork. So it all depends what you build it up with. I couldn't afford more than Apex on the Ritchey and would have to settle for Spyres. The Hydro Rival is a better groupset.

So, we're back to wheels..................................................

Do I want the Ritchey? I did, certainly. But it is just a nice steel frame with good heritage. Is it really worth that much?

ugo.santalucia

bendertherobot wrote:

So, we're back to wheels..................................................

As discussed... respoking them with D-light or DT Comp Race if they'll ever be available will chop off 200 grams and make them more responsive and less harsh and "dead" for long rides. I am planning to do that to my Planet X wheels too... I am just waiting for an offer

bendertherobot

Thing is, it's lovely to have a nice carbon or steel bike there. I was looking at the Genesis Zero (overpriced) and the Canyon stuff (good prices, some good builds in my price range).

I might still consider something like a Canyon. TBH I find it hard to look beyond the £575 Alu SLX frame (with British Cycling discount).

It's GOOD to have a best bike. But I'm bored with having a bike there that I can sometimes use that offers very little actual difference to any other bike.

bendertherobot

There was an alternative mind. This, with Hy Rd and new wheels.......
http://www.dolan-bikes.com/dolan-cdx-ca ... -bike.html

ugo.santalucia

bendertherobot wrote:

Thing is, it's lovely to have a nice carbon or steel bike there. I was looking at the Genesis Zero (overpriced) and the Canyon stuff (good prices, some good builds in my price range).

I might still consider something like a Canyon. TBH I find it hard to look beyond the £575 Alu SLX frame (with British Cycling discount).

It's GOOD to have a best bike. But I'm bored with having a bike there that I can sometimes use that offers very little actual difference to any other bike.

What's wrong with the Ritchey Logic you have, you loved it...

bendertherobot

Too big. It's possible to find another, smaller one. That may be the thing to do...... I'd still lose money though so the only way to do it would be to sell most of it, then fit a less expensive groupset.

ugo.santalucia

bendertherobot wrote:

Too big. It's possible to find another, smaller one. That may be the thing to do...... I'd still lose money though so the only way to do it would be to sell most of it, then fit a less expensive groupset.

Are you shrinking? Was that not the replacement for a frame that was too big?

bendertherobot

ugo.santalucia wrote:

bendertherobot wrote:

Too big. It's possible to find another, smaller one. That may be the thing to do...... I'd still lose money though so the only way to do it would be to sell most of it, then fit a less expensive groupset.

Are you shrinking? Was that not the replacement for a frame that was too big?

Other way round. Condor was too small. Opted for the Ritchey. Too big.

gweeds

Have you ever had a fit done to work out stack/reach?

bendertherobot

No, and I think that's worthwhile. But, what I can say, is that no 54cm bike has ever not fitted. My PX is a 54, my Bivio a 55.

I got the Ritchey 56 because, for ages, I had a 56cm Croix. That was fine. Great even. But I just can't get comfy on the Ritchey.

gweeds

Too long, too short? It's a gorgeous bike. How tall are you Chris?

bendertherobot

5ft 10. Too long in the top tube.

gweeds

You're on a 55?

bendertherobot

Yep, but 560mm top tube effective. Which I think is the issue.

PX XLS is 535 which is a big difference.

As I say, my Croix was 562 which I always found fine!

gweeds

How about an inline post?

bendertherobot

It's an option. There's some complication there mind. I have a Ritchey link saddle. So that would have to go. Not a bad idea mind......

gweeds

If you were careful you could try and return if no good.....it's too lovely a bike to see go too easily IMHO.

bendertherobot

I know. It's a very very hard decision. Let's see what we can do................... I'd need another saddle as well, in due course. But could just use a spare to test.

gweeds

Worth a shot and got to be cheaper than selling/buying again.