Giro prize money men vs women

frenchfighter
frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
edited February 2015 in Pro race
In 2014 the men’s race held a prize fund purse totaling 1,378,000 Euro. Each stage win was worth 11,000 Euro and a day in the pink jersey was worth 1000 Euro. The final overall winner received 200,000 Euro. In comparison the Giro Rosa held a purse of 17,666 Euro with the eventual winner taking him just over 500 Euro.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/bronzin ... rize-money

The prize money should be significantly less, but 80 times less is just simply insulting.
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    The two Giros are run by two completely different companies for a start.

    RCS men's races generate about E30m in income (2011 figures). How much does the Giro Rosa generate?
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  • inseine
    inseine Posts: 5,788
    That is quite shocking, though maybe not surprising.

    It's also amazing that 10th place at the TdF, which seems like great result, is only worth 3,800 euros, as apposed to the winners 450,000 euros. You can see why these guys fight over the odd place in the final reckoning.
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  • sherer
    sherer Posts: 2,460
    what are the income sources for the Giro Rosa though. There is minimal if any TV coverage and I wonder how many sponsors \ partners they have.

    Without the revenue stream there is less to pass onto the riders
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Good effort on ponying up your 2014 bonus for prize money for the women's race, Frenchie.
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    There's tax to think about.

    The winner of the Giro gets 90,000 euros but after paying Italian taxes he is left with 90,000 euros
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  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    I can resolve this easily by eliminating prize money

    Simple and fair
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    iainf72 wrote:
    I can resolve this easily by eliminating prize money

    Simple and fair

    You've mentioned this before.

    I don't really understand your reasoning behind it, more generally.
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  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    iainf72 wrote:
    I can resolve this easily by eliminating prize money

    Simple and fair

    You've mentioned this before.

    I don't really understand your reasoning behind it, more generally.

    They're professional athletes. They get paid a salary. If they want to earn more, get a result and the market will reward you
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  • thomthom
    thomthom Posts: 3,574
    Yep, that will give the women more money... :roll:
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436
    Sportspeople aren't paid based what they do, they're paid based on how many people watch them doing what they do, the demographic of those viewers and how much those viewers are prepared to pay to watch.

    There is no more reason for women cyclists to get paid the same as men than there is for cyclists to get paid the same as golfers.
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  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    ThomThom wrote:
    Yep, that will give the women more money... :roll:


    It'll achieve parity in prize money though

    The market sets the rate etc
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    If the prize pot is the same percentage of the event's income then that will be parity.

    This discussion was aired a few months ago about sport generally and it was mentioned that the winners of the football World Cup won £22 million (men) and £630,000 (women) as an example of great imbalance. But as a proportion of the event's income, the women were being paid higher - 0.8% as opposed to the men's 0.5%
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  • RoadPainter
    RoadPainter Posts: 375
    Male tennis players have to play 5 setters at the Slams, yet women get the same for 3 setters. This is 'equality' at its worst
  • RoadPainter
    RoadPainter Posts: 375
    iainf72 wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    iainf72 wrote:
    I can resolve this easily by eliminating prize money

    Simple and fair

    You've mentioned this before.

    I don't really understand your reasoning behind it, more generally.

    They're professional athletes. They get paid a salary. If they want to earn more, get a result and the market will reward you
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  • craigus89
    craigus89 Posts: 887
    I'm never sure why people are so shocked by this, and it doesn't demean Women.

    The Women's races draw a significantly smaller crowd/market. Where do you suppose they get the money from to pay them more?
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    RoadPainter wrote:
    Male tennis players have to play 5 setters at the Slams, yet women get the same for 3 setters. This is 'equality' at its worst
    That's a suprious argument though. In athletics, Mo Farah gets the same prize money as Usain Bolt despite running 50 times as far.
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  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,910
    iainf72 wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    iainf72 wrote:
    I can resolve this easily by eliminating prize money

    Simple and fair

    You've mentioned this before.

    I don't really understand your reasoning behind it, more generally.

    They're professional athletes. They get paid a salary. If they want to earn more, get a result and the market will reward you

    How do I get all the big names to come race at TheBigBean Classic? I'm hoping to sell the TV rights for a tidy sum so I need well known riders.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    RoadPainter wrote:
    Male tennis players have to play 5 setters at the Slams, yet women get the same for 3 setters. This is 'equality' at its worst

    Not really.

    Women campaigned for both 5 sets and equal prize money.

    They got one not the other.

    And nor is it 'equality at its worst'.
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    TheBigBean wrote:
    How do I get all the big names to come race at TheBigBean Classic? I'm hoping to sell the TV rights for a tidy sum so I need well known riders.
    Pay them an appearance fee. Cavendish doesn't go to San Luis because he likes corned beef.
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  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,910
    RichN95 wrote:
    TheBigBean wrote:
    How do I get all the big names to come race at TheBigBean Classic? I'm hoping to sell the TV rights for a tidy sum so I need well known riders.
    Pay them an appearance fee. Cavendish doesn't go to San Luis because he likes corned beef.

    I want them to race not just turn up.
  • No_Ta_Doctor
    No_Ta_Doctor Posts: 14,652
    TheBigBean wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    TheBigBean wrote:
    How do I get all the big names to come race at TheBigBean Classic? I'm hoping to sell the TV rights for a tidy sum so I need well known riders.
    Pay them an appearance fee. Cavendish doesn't go to San Luis because he likes corned beef.

    I want them to race not just turn up.

    Can of corned beef for the winner?
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  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    If there was no prize money in the Tour de France, would people turn up and race?

    I suspect so.

    Paying a start fee is a good way to get people to a race. Prizes are great and everything, but this is cycling, so you share it. If you paid all the riders in the Giro a start fee of €7K, it would cost the same and I bet most of the riders would actually walk away with more money in their pocket.

    There is a big disparity between men and woman in cycling, but it's just reflecting the reality of the market.
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    There are only four races with decent prize money anyway. The three Grand Tours and any race with a two man break with Vinokourov.
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  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    RichN95 wrote:
    There are only four races with decent prize money anyway. The three Grand Tours and any race with a two man break with Vinokourov.

    LOL
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  • The_Boy
    The_Boy Posts: 3,099
    No tA Doctor wrote:
    TheBigBean wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    TheBigBean wrote:
    How do I get all the big names to come race at TheBigBean Classic? I'm hoping to sell the TV rights for a tidy sum so I need well known riders.
    Pay them an appearance fee. Cavendish doesn't go to San Luis because he likes corned beef.

    I want them to race not just turn up.

    Can of corned beef for the winner?

    One's own weight, surely?
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  • timoid.
    timoid. Posts: 3,133
    RichN95 wrote:
    There are only four races with decent prize money anyway. The three Grand Tours and any race with a two man break with Vinokourov.


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  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    Interesting post from Rast today, re: last years M-SR

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  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    Interesting, thanks for posting.
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  • disgruntledgoat
    disgruntledgoat Posts: 8,957
    There was a big debate in the newspapers about Cross fees back in December. Nys gets €20,000 just for signing on, apparantly. The guy who runs Telenet-Fidea wants an end to appearance money because it allows guys like Alex Revell to make a living in Cross without being much good.

    Koppenbergcross was the first race on the calender to give equal prize money for men and women, with Helen Wyman playing a big role. Their argument is that their race is just as entertaining as the men's (I would agree, I find women's cross more exciting, if anything) and that they would be happy to race the same length of time as the men for the same money.
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  • lyn1
    lyn1 Posts: 261
    disgruntledgoat wrote:
    There was a big debate in the newspapers about Cross fees back in December. Nys gets €20,000 just for signing on, apparantly. The guy who runs Telenet-Fidea wants an end to appearance money because it allows guys like Alex Revell to make a living in Cross without being much good.

    Koppenbergcross was the first race on the calender to give equal prize money for men and women, with Helen Wyman playing a big role. Their argument is that their race is just as entertaining as the men's (I would agree, I find women's cross more exciting, if anything) and that they would be happy to race the same length of time as the men for the same money.

    They would say that of course as would some 3rd/4th cats who argue that their races are as exciting as the pros. But, even if they are, does it generate income for sponsors/broadcasters and gate receipts that fund the sport? I have attended 6 Euro X Champs where there is only male J & U23 and women's races....no Elite men. Only one of those had a big crowd. The others were very poorly attended. The one with the big attendance was when someone put an Elite men's Superprestige on immediately following the Euro's. While I would like to see the women's pot increase relative to men, I do not buy the equality argument. There is very little strength in depth in the women's field and it's a safe bet that if Koppenberg had not had a men's elite race the interest, sponsor benefit and gate receipts would be dramatically less.

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