Forum home Road cycling forum Road general

Parentini Mossa

135

Posts

  • noodlemannoodleman Posts: 852
    I thought about getting a Mossa but couldnt easily find a distributor. That left me pondering over a Gabba, but after all the talk and my club mates bigging them up i bought my wife one and its water resistance is disappointingly poor and its nowhere near warm enough for me. Just ordered a Sportful Fiandre Extreme SS jersey with arm warmers.
    probably wont live up to the hype and maybe i should have tried harder to get a Mossa but 41% off the Sportful on wiggle was too tempting. Cant be any more of a disappointment than the over hyped Gabba.
    argon 18 e116 2013 Vision Metron 80
    Bianchi Oltre XR Sram Red E-tap, Fulcrum racing speed xlr
    De Rosa SK pininfarina disc
    S Works Tarmac e-tap 2017
    Rose pro sl disc
  • daniel_bdaniel_b Posts: 9,019
    I bought mine from: http://www.ciclimattio.com/en/ciclismo/detail/PARENTINI_JACKET_WINDTEX_STORM_SHIELD_MOSSA_2016/99664

    Someone on here, or on t'internet had already mentioned them.
    It was a painless and easy exercise, as was the subsequent refund.

    I think at the time it cost me £120 delivered, they may have had a sale on too.

    Pretty sure a google found it at another European site for circa £120 recently though.

    Just for the record, the zip on mine was a bit stiff, and I wasn't convinced it was the right jacket for me, so I ended up sending it back, at reasonable expense to Italy as you might imagine!
    I think as I have a lot of jackets, I have a fair amount of overlap, so it didn't fill any specific gaps.

    EDIT:

    €140 for the Mossa, and seemingly €163 for the Mossa 2, probably would have ordered one if not only in black.
    http://www.nencinisport.it/en/search.html?RwGal=true&searchkey=mossa

    Please check they are the right models though, perhaps someone else on here can confirm, or compare pics\descriptions or something.

    £102 it appears for the Mossa, and if you add a further €10 of stuff, it seems that postage is free on orders over €150, otherwise it's €10.
    Felt F70 05 (Turbo)
    Marin Palisades Trail 91 and 06
    Scott CR1 SL 12
    Cannondale Synapse Adventure 15 & 16 Di2
    Scott Foil 18
  • dazz_ni45dazz_ni45 Posts: 468
    Trying to decide if I have room for the Mossa in my wardrobe especially at the price Daniel has just posted and the fact they have an orange in large!

    Currently have the following:

    Alpha Jacket
    Alpha Jersey
    S/S Gabba
    Airjack 851 (just picked it up second hand after searching for ages and not used it yet)

    I am thinking of selling on the gabba as I just don't get on with it. The alpha jacket has been my go to jacket this winter (it has been colder here in Ireland)

    My main question about the Mossa is what temperature it will be suitable up to? Would it be ok for the late spring 10 degree+ wet runs when there is still a chill in the air?
  • Daniel, descriptions look fine.

    Dazz. It depends. Are you looking to replace the SS Gabba with a SS Mossa? I've worn my LS today at 2 degrees with a thicker base layer. Spot on. It was fine at 6 degrees with a lesser one. I've no reason to think that it won't be perfect in the 10 degree runs. Remember that, commonly, the rain will depress the temperature whilst falling, so a 10 degree day can become a 6 degree one quite quickly.

    Ultimately, you have quite the armoury there. It's debatable whether you need the Mossa. But it offers more rain protection than all of the others. The 851 is probably overlap but since you didn't pay much, keep it.
    My blog: http://www.roubaixcycling.cc (kit reviews and other musings)
    https://twitter.com/roubaixcc
    Facebook? No. Just say no.
  • dazz_ni45dazz_ni45 Posts: 468
    Daniel, descriptions look fine.

    Dazz. It depends. Are you looking to replace the SS Gabba with a SS Mossa? I've worn my LS today at 2 degrees with a thicker base layer. Spot on. It was fine at 6 degrees with a lesser one. I've no reason to think that it won't be perfect in the 10 degree runs. Remember that, commonly, the rain will depress the temperature whilst falling, so a 10 degree day can become a 6 degree one quite quickly.

    Ultimately, you have quite the armoury there. It's debatable whether you need the Mossa. But it offers more rain protection than all of the others. The 851 is probably overlap but since you didn't pay much, keep it.

    Thanks and BTW it is mostly your fault that I have that armoury! It wouldn't be a direct replacement for the gabba and it would be the LS mossa as I usually for the gabba with arm warmers anyway. My thinking is that it will also replace the alpha jersey especially as I have the jacket which I would use on colder days or slower cycles were I wasn't generating as much heat
  • PTestTeamPTestTeam Posts: 395
    I bought mine from: http://www.ciclimattio.com/en/ciclismo/detail/PARENTINI_JACKET_WINDTEX_STORM_SHIELD_MOSSA_2016/99664

    Someone on here, or on t'internet had already mentioned them.
    It was a painless and easy exercise, as was the subsequent refund.

    I think at the time it cost me £120 delivered, they may have had a sale on too.

    Pretty sure a google found it at another European site for circa £120 recently though.

    Just for the record, the zip on mine was a bit stiff, and I wasn't convinced it was the right jacket for me, so I ended up sending it back, at reasonable expense to Italy as you might imagine!
    I think as I have a lot of jackets, I have a fair amount of overlap, so it didn't fill any specific gaps.

    EDIT:

    €140 for the Mossa, and seemingly €163 for the Mossa 2, probably would have ordered one if not only in black.
    http://www.nencinisport.it/en/search.html?RwGal=true&searchkey=mossa

    Please check they are the right models though, perhaps someone else on here can confirm, or compare pics\descriptions or something.

    £102 it appears for the Mossa, and if you add a further €10 of stuff, it seems that postage is free on orders over €150, otherwise it's €10.

    It is important to make sure that the Mossa fits correctly, so Parentini always recommend trying the Mossa on to get the right size. UK Dealers are being taken on more and more – just in case here is a link to the current dealers
    http://parentinitestteam.com/parentini-dealers/
  • PTestTeamPTestTeam Posts: 395
    Daniel, descriptions look fine.

    Dazz. It depends. Are you looking to replace the SS Gabba with a SS Mossa? I've worn my LS today at 2 degrees with a thicker base layer. Spot on. It was fine at 6 degrees with a lesser one. I've no reason to think that it won't be perfect in the 10 degree runs. Remember that, commonly, the rain will depress the temperature whilst falling, so a 10 degree day can become a 6 degree one quite quickly.

    Ultimately, you have quite the armoury there. It's debatable whether you need the Mossa. But it offers more rain protection than all of the others. The 851 is probably overlap but since you didn't pay much, keep it.

    Thanks and BTW it is mostly your fault that I have that armoury! It wouldn't be a direct replacement for the gabba and it would be the LS mossa as I usually for the gabba with arm warmers anyway. My thinking is that it will also replace the alpha jersey especially as I have the jacket which I would use on colder days or slower cycles were I wasn't generating as much heat

    The Mossa is versatile – just pair it with the right weight of baselayer, ideally a polypropelene one. These work better with the Mossa.Having different weights of baselayer means you can wear it from 0 to 10degrees and above. Although as you say, at the lower temps, I wouldn't advise stopping if you can help it. The Mossa doesn't generate heat but retains and regulates the heat you are generating yourself.
  • Sizing is crucial. I'd have probably gone for an XL without advice. And it would have been ok, but a bit looser. Then it wouldn't have worked nearly as well. I'm so glad I got the size I did.

    As I said, I could have worn the Alpha today, but chose the Mossa. I had doubts about whether, for me, it would be good enough at lower temps, but it was spot on again. (Craft extreme base layer today)
    My blog: http://www.roubaixcycling.cc (kit reviews and other musings)
    https://twitter.com/roubaixcc
    Facebook? No. Just say no.
  • dazz_ni45dazz_ni45 Posts: 468
    Well that's it ordered. Alpha jersey and gabba in the classifieds in the next few days.

    Slightly off topic, but what size of HH Warm Freeze base layer do you wear and you and I are similar sizing
  • Well that's it ordered. Alpha jersey and gabba in the classifieds in the next few days.

    Slightly off topic, but what size of HH Warm Freeze base layer do you wear and you and I are similar sizing

    I'll check later!
    My blog: http://www.roubaixcycling.cc (kit reviews and other musings)
    https://twitter.com/roubaixcc
    Facebook? No. Just say no.
  • meanredspidermeanredspider Posts: 12,550
    I think BTR has done more than anyone for jacket sales on BR - certainly was king of the Castelli Alpha.

    As an aside, BTR, if you want to feel more objective, send back anything that manufacturers let you have - whether they want it back or not. I believe DC Rainmaker does that - though, by now, he's tested so much stuff I think any bias has gone. But companies rely on testers to give good reviews and stuff they get for free definitely influences that- it's part of their marketing strategies. To some extent, you're a pawn in their game.

    I've been pretty unbothered by rain jackets during my cycling career because it's often not wet enough to bother. My approach was always just to stay warm. The last few weeks have made me rethink that slightly but I still think I might prefer a horses-for-courses approach rather than an all things jacket. The Windtex material sounds like it's another step but it seems from PTest that it still needs a DWR. I'm going to be interested to try the Gore-Tex One because I always carry an extra layer (for stops etc) and because it better fits my philosophy towards wet weather.
    ROAD < Scott Foil HMX Di2, Volagi Liscio Di2, Jamis Renegade Elite Di2, Cube Reaction Race > ROUGH
  • The Mossa has dwr!
    My blog: http://www.roubaixcycling.cc (kit reviews and other musings)
    https://twitter.com/roubaixcc
    Facebook? No. Just say no.
  • apreadingapreading Posts: 4,532
    How is the Mossa better than the Lusso jackets? They seem to have been using Windtex for a few years with https://www.merlincycles.com/lusso-windtex-aero-thermal-cycling-jacket-85999.html and https://www.merlincycles.com/lusso-aqua-repel-cycling-jacket-85405.html available at the moment from a UK source so much easier to find and return to work out correct sizing etc.
  • I think BTR has done more than anyone for jacket sales on BR - certainly was king of the Castelli Alpha.

    As an aside, BTR, if you want to feel more objective, send back anything that manufacturers let you have - whether they want it back or not. I believe DC Rainmaker does that - though, by now, he's tested so much stuff I think any bias has gone. But companies rely on testers to give good reviews and stuff they get for free definitely influences that- it's part of their marketing strategies. To some extent, you're a pawn in their game.

    I've been pretty unbothered by rain jackets during my cycling career because it's often not wet enough to bother. My approach was always just to stay warm. The last few weeks have made me rethink that slightly but I still think I might prefer a horses-for-courses approach rather than an all things jacket. The Windtex material sounds like it's another step but it seems from PTest that it still needs a DWR. I'm going to be interested to try the Gore-Tex One because I always carry an extra layer (for stops etc) and because it better fits my philosophy towards wet weather.

    It's an interesting quandary regarding what to do with a test sample. DC Rainmaker is probably unique in that he covers hardware. I'd imagine that there are test samples out there doing the rounds of the usual suspects plus, f they are only open box rather than damaged, they can be resold as such. It's probably harder to justify the restocking, advertising costs of a Mossa once I've tested it for a month or so. But it's something to bear in mind. I wonder how bike radar and road.cc do it? I suspect the answer is that very little clothing items get returned. Who knows, it would be interesting to find out.
    My blog: http://www.roubaixcycling.cc (kit reviews and other musings)
    https://twitter.com/roubaixcc
    Facebook? No. Just say no.
  • How is the Mossa better than the Lusso jackets? They seem to have been using Windtex for a few years with https://www.merlincycles.com/lusso-windtex-aero-thermal-cycling-jacket-85999.html and https://www.merlincycles.com/lusso-aqua-repel-cycling-jacket-85405.html available at the moment from a UK source so much easier to find and return to work out correct sizing etc.

    Ow, we did this earlier mun! :D Who knows, someone would need to back to back test them. But, on fit, use the sizing guide as set out by Parentini, it is accurate. The Lusso repel appears, on the face of the description, to be the same. It's described as Storm shield and, provided it came from Vagotex as such, will be the same in terms of how it works. How it fits and how it's assembled are, of course, up for comparison.
    My blog: http://www.roubaixcycling.cc (kit reviews and other musings)
    https://twitter.com/roubaixcc
    Facebook? No. Just say no.
  • How is the Mossa better than the Lusso jackets? They seem to have been using Windtex for a few years with https://www.merlincycles.com/lusso-windtex-aero-thermal-cycling-jacket-85999.html and https://www.merlincycles.com/lusso-aqua-repel-cycling-jacket-85405.html available at the moment from a UK source so much easier to find and return to work out correct sizing etc.

    Actually Nencinisport do free returns and if you spend over 150 euros you get free postage in the first place, so it's not any easier or more difficult buying from a non UK source. And it's a cheaper jacket from the above Italian link.

    I haven't bought one yet as I wanted to try on my clubmates medium to see how it fits, but I think I might just buy two from the above link as it's a bargain!
  • apreadingapreading Posts: 4,532
    Actually Nencinisport do free returns and if you spend over 150 euros you get free postage in the first place, so it's not any easier or more difficult buying from a non UK source. And it's a cheaper jacket from the above Italian link.

    Interesting - I can the the free returns bit on their website but wonder if that is only within Italy. I am not really in the market as I have all manner of jackets/gilets/jerseys already but I would check with them that it applies overseas and if true would probably give one a try just to see what they look like and how they size.
  • meanredspidermeanredspider Posts: 12,550
    The Mossa has dwr!

    I know - and it needs reproofing is my point.
    ROAD < Scott Foil HMX Di2, Volagi Liscio Di2, Jamis Renegade Elite Di2, Cube Reaction Race > ROUGH
  • robbo2011robbo2011 Posts: 1,017
    Well that's it ordered. Alpha jersey and gabba in the classifieds in the next few days.

    Slightly off topic, but what size of HH Warm Freeze base layer do you wear and you and I are similar sizing

    Can't help but thinking you're being rather hasty and getting a bit carried away with the hype. the Alpha jersey is probably the most versatile piece in my wardrobe as I am able to wear it from 0 to 14 degC in most weathers. Is the mossa so much better than the Alpha that it is worth taking a hit on the sale price of the Alpha?

    If you are not careful, you'll end up spending lots of money for very little if any gain. What exactly is wrong with the Alpha that makes you want to sell it?

    I do think you should sell the Gabba though. no point in owning the Gabba and the Alpha Jersey, too much overlap.
  • PTestTeamPTestTeam Posts: 395
    The Mossa has dwr!

    I know - and it needs reproofing is my point.

    The Mossa still works without DWR as the actual fabric/membrane is waterproof
  • Well that's it ordered. Alpha jersey and gabba in the classifieds in the next few days.

    Slightly off topic, but what size of HH Warm Freeze base layer do you wear and you and I are similar sizing

    Can't help but thinking you're being rather hasty and getting a bit carried away with the hype. the Alpha jersey is probably the most versatile piece in my wardrobe as I am able to wear it from 0 to 14 degC in most weathers. Is the mossa so much better than the Alpha that it is worth taking a hit on the sale price of the Alpha?

    If you are not careful, you'll end up spending lots of money for very little if any gain. What exactly is wrong with the Alpha that makes you want to sell it?

    I do think you should sell the Gabba though. no point in owning the Gabba and the Alpha Jersey, too much overlap.

    I didn't make him do it mind! I'd keep the Alpha as well, and indeed I have.
    My blog: http://www.roubaixcycling.cc (kit reviews and other musings)
    https://twitter.com/roubaixcc
    Facebook? No. Just say no.
  • The Mossa has dwr!

    I know - and it needs reproofing is my point.

    Actually I asked this earlier as it's a major factor if I was buying a new jacket and an owner who has used his well for over a year has never reproofed it and it's still waterproof - obviously it doesn't bead water off the surface any more but if the water can't get in that's no big deal.
  • I'll be constantly updating the review. I'd imagine that rain will just run off a bit slower and that the seams will be more at risk of some ingress. It won't get through the fabric regardless. There may be an effect whereby more water on the outside slows the transport from the inside. Those are the effects I'd expect to see. But we will see.
    My blog: http://www.roubaixcycling.cc (kit reviews and other musings)
    https://twitter.com/roubaixcc
    Facebook? No. Just say no.
  • meanredspidermeanredspider Posts: 12,550
    The Mossa has dwr!

    I know - and it needs reproofing is my point.

    The Mossa still works without DWR as the actual fabric/membrane is waterproof

    Absolutely - but that's why I'm intrigued by the concept of the Gore-Tex One - there is only the membrane.

    I have always had real difficulty in believing that, when the outer fabric is wet, the moisture will want to find its way out. It seems to defy science that water will want to transport to where there's already a lot of water. So the breathability seems bound to suffer.
    ROAD < Scott Foil HMX Di2, Volagi Liscio Di2, Jamis Renegade Elite Di2, Cube Reaction Race > ROUGH
  • Google gore tex active on YouTube. Saw it for the first time today. No idea what to make of it.
    My blog: http://www.roubaixcycling.cc (kit reviews and other musings)
    https://twitter.com/roubaixcc
    Facebook? No. Just say no.
  • meanredspidermeanredspider Posts: 12,550
    Yes - this one http://youtu.be/gs6UkBJI2S8

    No outer layer to absorb water. It's not meant to be incredibly robust (no rucksacks) but then I don't use one if I can at all help it. Mrs MRS has ordered me one for my birthday so I should be able to report on how well it performs.
    ROAD < Scott Foil HMX Di2, Volagi Liscio Di2, Jamis Renegade Elite Di2, Cube Reaction Race > ROUGH
  • dazz_ni45dazz_ni45 Posts: 468
    Well that's it ordered. Alpha jersey and gabba in the classifieds in the next few days.

    Slightly off topic, but what size of HH Warm Freeze base layer do you wear and you and I are similar sizing

    Can't help but thinking you're being rather hasty and getting a bit carried away with the hype. the Alpha jersey is probably the most versatile piece in my wardrobe as I am able to wear it from 0 to 14 degC in most weathers. Is the mossa so much better than the Alpha that it is worth taking a hit on the sale price of the Alpha?

    If you are not careful, you'll end up spending lots of money for very little if any gain. What exactly is wrong with the Alpha that makes you want to sell it?

    I do think you should sell the Gabba though. no point in owning the Gabba and the Alpha Jersey, too much overlap.

    I didn't make him do it mind! I'd keep the Alpha as well, and indeed I have.

    I am still keeping the Alpha, but it is the Alpha jacket. I have only wore the alpha jersey once all winter having preferred the jacket (it hasn't been overly warm in Ireland) and with both of them being black I wanted something with a bit more visibility. Intrigued by the Mossa especially the waterproofing so thought I would give it a try and I see it more as a replacement for the alpha jersey than the jacket. Also at £100 it is definitely worth the chance
  • I'll be constantly updating the review. I'd imagine that rain will just run off a bit slower and that the seams will be more at risk of some ingress. It won't get through the fabric regardless. There may be an effect whereby more water on the outside slows the transport from the inside. Those are the effects I'd expect to see. But we will see.

    Having had the jacket a year and having not reproofed it I can confirm this is the effect. The first really wet commute this year I noticed it wasn't beading up. When I got to work I stuck my arm und a tap and can confirm it was still waterproof... However, having a wet outer layer I feel still makes you colder. I also got some ingress at the seams. I'm not sure how breath ability was effected, but I can't think the outside of a jacket being constantly soaked would help.

    I'm going to nik wax mine soon.
  • So, I tried on a medium 2016 mossa tonight - the outcome was fit wise it did fit very well. But, the front comes up high - level with or just above my navel... What are peoples thoughts on this that own one currently?

    Everything else seemed ok, very tight everywhere and the rear tail still seemed low enough to be effective.

    Parentini don't seem to have a sizing chart so that I can see the difference between the medium and large for length comparison.
  • apreadingapreading Posts: 4,532
    So, I tried on a medium 2016 mossa tonight - the outcome was fit wise it did fit very well. But, the front comes up high - level with or just above my navel... What are peoples thoughts on this that own one currently?

    Everything else seemed ok, very tight everywhere and the rear tail still seemed low enough to be effective.

    Parentini don't seem to have a sizing chart so that I can see the difference between the medium and large for length comparison.

    Sit on the bike in it. if the front is still too short then its too short, if not its perfect. Dont judge it standing up, its not designed for that.
Sign In or Register to comment.