Campag Vento G3 or Scirocco 35?

Tiberius007
Tiberius007 Posts: 195
edited January 2015 in Road buying advice
HI guys after some advice on a potential wheel upgrade, I am looking to upgrade the stock wheels to something that will give me a bit more comfort over distance. I like the look of these wheels for different reasons (and looks can be deceiving), but how good are they when performing? Any advice would be gratefully received. Many thanks. :D

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  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,321
    Why do you think a wheel upgrade will give you more comfort?
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  • Tiberius007
    Tiberius007 Posts: 195
    OK so maybe that wasn't the best use of the Queen's English, but surely some wheels are going to be a less harsh ride than others? But maybe I have it wrong. I know I am not going to get sofa type comfort from any wheel upgrade.
    The Campag catalogue rates both wheels reasonably high in terms of comfort so surely there must be some logic behind this mention of comfort. Some wheels will give more speed and others comfort etc due to the way they are constructed and purpose etc? But again maybe I have this theory all wrong, hence my initial request for advice.
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,321
    If you are looking for more comfort... in this order

    1) position on the bike (find the one that works for you)

    2) Tyres (higher TPI and lower pressure)

    3) Saddle (find the one for you)

    ...

    ...

    100) Wheels: butted spokes, crossed construction, shallow rim
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  • Tiberius007
    Tiberius007 Posts: 195
    Thanks Ugo.
    Your advice is much apprciated.
    I do get what you are saying, and I do appreciate that the wheels are not the first port of call for increase in overall comfort.
    I probably just should have said whats a good set of wheels for longer rides instead of a set of bin lids :-) I think I confused the issue with the comfort word. Sorry.
  • holiver
    holiver Posts: 729
    Fulcrum Racing 7 LG or 5 LG with some 25mm tyres in my opinion. The wider rims and larger volume tyres will help with comfort. I know the ride on my Kinesis was improved hugely when I replaced some 23mm Continental Gator Hardskin tyres with some 25mm Michelin Pro4 Endurance.
    2013 Kinesis Racelight T2
  • Tiberius007
    Tiberius007 Posts: 195
    Thanks Holiver.
    When looking at tyres I was actually looking at 25mm in the Hardskin, as they get good reviews on durability as a distance training tyre but will have a look at the Pro4s too. Maybe the clue is in the name for me :-). Not too bothered about land speed records at this point in time.
    I have looked at the Fulcrums too, I was swayed more to the Campag only as it was a bit cheaper (rightly or wrongly), for what I am told is the same/equivalent Fulcrum wheelset.
    Thanks for your advice, much appreciated.
  • faarn
    faarn Posts: 52
    I am also looking at these two. The Sciroccos are heavier and more expensive 1725g/£160 to the Vento's 1660g/140. So what is the difference, can't obviously see on their website although I think it is the hub. Does anyone know how the hubs compare and is the Scirocco the same hub as the Zonda?
  • holiver
    holiver Posts: 729
    The Sirocco has a deeper rim.
    2013 Kinesis Racelight T2
  • faarn
    faarn Posts: 52
    I presume the deeper rim is for stiffness as isn't deep enough for any aerodynamic effect (not that I know anything about wheel design). The Vento therefore shouldn't be as stiff with a shallower rim but this I would think is offset by a higher spoke count. What I didn't make clear was how do they differ in performance and durability? I have read that the Vento rims are quite soft and suffer higher brake wear but not sure if the same is true of the Scirocco. I think it must come down to the hub as otherwise the cheaper lighter Ventos would be a no brainer. Has anyone compared the two hubs or know if they are different and if so in what way?
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,321
    faarn wrote:
    I have read that the Vento rims are quite soft and suffer higher brake wear but not sure if the same is true of the Scirocco.

    There is a limited number of alloys used in the industry and if you look at the hardness numbers, they are all pretty similar. They are all harder than rubber of course and all softer than silica added to rubber. They are also all softer than the average debris you pick up on the road. I belong to the school of thought that an alloy rim is bound to wear if you brake. You can do very little to avoid this and "pad hygiene" is the only sensible prevention. The other way is to get a rim that has more alloy on the brake track, but that of course implies more weight too. This rim wears faster than that one? Probably down to conditions (rider's weight, rider's braking habits, weather, temperature, state of the pads etc... )
    I would be surprised if the same company used wildly different alloys for their "budget" rims too.
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