Reduced 2014 model or 2015...

andymphillips
andymphillips Posts: 15
edited January 2015 in Road buying advice
Looked at a couple of bikes yesterday, one was a 2014 model with full 105 (2014) groupset including brakes and crank etc plus better wheels, the other had 105 (2015) but cheaper crank, brakes and wheels.

The 2014 model is about £150 cheaper.

From experience, is the extra £150 worth it for the newer (partial) groupset?

Comments

  • sophidog
    sophidog Posts: 180
    would have thought the 2014 model is better value especially when you consider the better wheels. The 2014 105 is fine and both bikes are brand new. Just my two-penneth....
    Road: Rose CDX-3000 Cannondale CAADX 105 2011
    Turbo: Fuji Nevada Mountain Bike(Y2K)
  • It depends on what you want to get out of the bike really, and if you really want 11sp over 10 or if you think you'd value the performance gain.

    For example, if you were only going to use the bike for general club riding and mile munching then the older 10spd chain and cassette will be cheaper to replace when they wear out, and *might* be easier to keep indexed. Also if you already have a nice pair of wheels you might have bought for a previous bike that are only 10spd compatible then that's something to bear in mind.

    However, if you want to go 11spd and want the newer parts and would possibly upgrade in the future anyway then it makes sense to just go for the newer model right away. If you really like the look of the new 105 groupset and those nicer wheels then £150 isn't the biggest step up in price.
  • sophidog
    sophidog Posts: 180
    the nicer wheels are on the 2014 bike...
    Road: Rose CDX-3000 Cannondale CAADX 105 2011
    Turbo: Fuji Nevada Mountain Bike(Y2K)
  • w00dster
    w00dster Posts: 880
    My opinion is that it depends on your situation. Do you have good winter gear (clothing) already? Would the saving allow you to buy some? My personal opinion is that good winter clothing outweighs the difference between 5700 and 5800.
    If I had to pick one over the other, I'd probably go for the 2015 model, but more out of my weakness for wanting the latest and greatest. Looking at it logically, wheels tend to be relegated to "winter only wheels", so don't need to be great. Brakes are important though and likely to be upgraded if they under perform, so that's an additional hidden cost.
    Logical decision is the 2014 model, but we never listen to logic do we!!
  • DKay
    DKay Posts: 1,652
    If it's a 2014 model, then shouldn't it have 5800 11speed?

    Unless you tell us which bikes you're looking at and their complete spec, any advice given is pretty pointless.
  • The bikes are Giant TCR advanced.

    The 2014 is the Pro version (I think) with complete 5700. The 2015 has only partial 5800 with cheaper crank and wheels.

    I almost handed the credit card over for the 2014 model, then the inner chimp did the whole "but it's not the newest".... and after sleeping on it still no closer to making my mind up.

    I know the wheels are better, I know the complete 105 bits are better than the cheaper brakes and crankset, but the reviews of the 5800 say it is so much better than the 5700 - so stuck!!
  • holiver
    holiver Posts: 729
    Ask for a discount on the old one.
  • passout
    passout Posts: 4,425
    If you have wheels or other 10 speed bits in the shed then get the old one for sure. Even if you don't then the better wheels & discount would probably clinch it for me. Both options make sense though, so go with what you 'want' more.
    'Happiness serves hardly any other purpose than to make unhappiness possible' Marcel Proust.
  • Elfed
    Elfed Posts: 459
    Get the one with 5800 11 speed and forget about the wheels as that's the thing you usually upgrade first.

    The current wheels and tyres will serve you till the Spring then buy a better pair, keeping the originals for the autumn/winter.
  • dj58
    dj58 Posts: 2,221
    If you prefer the 2015 TCR Advanced 2 because you like the idea of the 5800 105, you can always save up for the matching crankset and brake calipers, the one's fitted are perfectly serviceable in the mean time, though do upgrade your brake pads to Swisstop Blue BXP.

    The P-R2 wheels will also be fine until you can afford to buy something nicer, you can keep the P-R2's for spare/winter use.
  • DKay
    DKay Posts: 1,652
    The bikes are Giant TCR advanced.

    The 2014 is the Pro version (I think) with complete 5700. The 2015 has only partial 5800 with cheaper crank and wheels.

    So I assume this is the 2015 model; http://www.giant-bicycles.com/en-gb/bik ... ifications

    The RS500 chainset and R561 brakes are pretty much the equivalent of 5700 105, so you're not losing or gaining anything there compared to the 2014 model. The shifting on 5800 is much better than 5700 though.

    Can you tell us the exact 2014 model you're looking at, as the Giant TCR range is very, very confusing.
  • Yeap - that's the 2015 model. The 2014 model is this http://www.giant-bicycles.com/en-gb/bik ... 970/66531/
  • dj58
    dj58 Posts: 2,221
    The 2014 TCR Advanced 2 has full 5700 105 and 53/39 crankset.
  • DJ58 wrote:
    The 2014 TCR Advanced 2 has full 5700 105 and 53/39 crankset.

    That's my point DJ - is the extra money worth it for partial 5800 105 alone?
  • DKay
    DKay Posts: 1,652
    For info on both models wheels, here is a link I found;

    http://forums.roadbikereview.com/giant/ ... 63876.html
  • DKay
    DKay Posts: 1,652
    DJ58 wrote:
    The 2014 TCR Advanced 2 has full 5700 105 and 53/39 crankset.

    That's my point DJ - is the extra money worth it for partial 5800 105 alone?

    More to the point, can you handle a 53/39 set-up? If you can't then you'll need to shell out for a whole new crankset, which will wipe out the vast majority of any saving straight away.
  • I'm happy with the 39 - the 53 might come as a bit of a shock to the system though :?
  • dj58
    dj58 Posts: 2,221
    DJ58 wrote:
    The 2014 TCR Advanced 2 has full 5700 105 and 53/39 crankset.

    That's my point DJ - is the extra money worth it for partial 5800 105 alone?

    I think it is if you want the 5800 Shifters and Derailleurs and 11sp, if however you would be happy with the 5700 10sp and the 53/39 Crankset then go for that.
  • Elfed
    Elfed Posts: 459
    DJ58 wrote:
    The 2014 TCR Advanced 2 has full 5700 105 and 53/39 crankset.

    That's my point DJ - is the extra money worth it for partial 5800 105 alone?

    Definitely, 5800 is a whole lot better than 5700.
  • w00dster
    w00dster Posts: 880
    But there's also nothing wrong with 5700, one of my old bikes was 2013 5700, it worked perfectly. I have 6800 now on one of my bikes, I can't really notice any measurable difference the two (apart from the extra gear).
    All depends on the financial position in my opinion, if the extra £150 doesn't really matter and the OP has enough winter kit for comfortable riding for the next 3 or 4 months, then I would go for the latest model. If money is a bit tight like it is for a lot of people after Xmas, then the saving could be noticable.
    I'm getting on a bit now and notice the cold and the rain, I honestly think it's worth spending more on comfort than on the difference between full 5700 and new 5800.
  • DKay
    DKay Posts: 1,652
    I personally think the difference between 5700 and 5800 isn't small. The latter is so much better, I've just replaced the 6700 on my Cayo to 5800. The full groupset cost me under £300 and I pretty miuch made my money back selling the 6700 bits.

    The old 6700 in comparison, feels stiff and clunky with less powerful braking. The new hood shape is also much nicer. I also have a 32 rear cog to bail me out on some of the super-steep stuff around where I live.
  • I will second 5800 is in a totally different league to 5700.
  • paxington
    paxington Posts: 162
    Looked at a couple of bikes yesterday, one was a 2014 model with full 105 (2014) groupset including brakes and crank etc plus better wheels, the other had 105 (2015) but cheaper crank, brakes and wheels.

    The 2014 model is about £150 cheaper.

    From experience, is the extra £150 worth it for the newer (partial) groupset?

    How about buy the 2014 bike. Buy a full 5800 groupset (circa £300). Sell the 5700. Having the 2015 with down-graded brakes doesn't sound great as the brakes (in conjunction with the new levers) are a significant upgrade of 5800 over 5700.
    Net cost (after selling 5700) may well be less than the 2015 . Plus you get the better wheels and full group.
  • Pigtail
    Pigtail Posts: 424
    paxington wrote:
    How about buy the 2014 bike. Buy a full 5800 groupset (circa £300). Sell the 5700. Having the 2015 with down-graded brakes doesn't sound great as the brakes (in conjunction with the new levers) are a significant upgrade of 5800 over 5700.
    Net cost (after selling 5700) may well be less than the 2015 . Plus you get the better wheels and full group.

    I like this idea. I prefer the colour scheme of that 2014 bike, not least because I have an aversion to white tape!
  • dj58
    dj58 Posts: 2,221
    Pigtail wrote:
    paxington wrote:
    How about buy the 2014 bike. Buy a full 5800 groupset (circa £300). Sell the 5700. Having the 2015 with down-graded brakes doesn't sound great as the brakes (in conjunction with the new levers) are a significant upgrade of 5800 over 5700.
    Net cost (after selling 5700) may well be less than the 2015 . Plus you get the better wheels and full group.

    I like this idea. I prefer the colour scheme of that 2014 bike, not least because I have an aversion to white tape!

    But the white stem looks odd on the 2014 bike and bar tape is relatively cheap and easy to change, which is what the owner of this 2015 TCR Advanced 2 bike has done. Wheels upgraded also.

    http://ell-dawg.webs.com/photos/1063616 ... 0869_n.jpg
  • DKay
    DKay Posts: 1,652
    paxington wrote:
    Looked at a couple of bikes yesterday, one was a 2014 model with full 105 (2014) groupset including brakes and crank etc plus better wheels, the other had 105 (2015) but cheaper crank, brakes and wheels.

    The 2014 model is about £150 cheaper.

    From experience, is the extra £150 worth it for the newer (partial) groupset?

    How about buy the 2014 bike. Buy a full 5800 groupset (circa £300). Sell the 5700. Having the 2015 with down-graded brakes doesn't sound great as the brakes (in conjunction with the new levers) are a significant upgrade of 5800 over 5700.
    Net cost (after selling 5700) may well be less than the 2015 . Plus you get the better wheels and full group.

    I thought about this too. It's a good option, although if the OP can't swap over the groupsets himself, he'll gave to shell out around £50 for a LBS to do it. Also, are the wheels on the 2014 model 11speed compatible?
  • Pigtail
    Pigtail Posts: 424
    DJ58 wrote:
    Pigtail wrote:
    paxington wrote:
    How about buy the 2014 bike. Buy a full 5800 groupset (circa £300). Sell the 5700. Having the 2015 with down-graded brakes doesn't sound great as the brakes (in conjunction with the new levers) are a significant upgrade of 5800 over 5700.
    Net cost (after selling 5700) may well be less than the 2015 . Plus you get the better wheels and full group.

    I like this idea. I prefer the colour scheme of that 2014 bike, not least because I have an aversion to white tape!

    But the white stem looks odd on the 2014 bike and bar tape is relatively cheap and easy to change, which is what the owner of this 2015 TCR Advanced 2 bike has done. Wheels upgraded also.

    http://ell-dawg.webs.com/photos/1063616 ... 0869_n.jpg

    Nice bike - is it yours?

    You are right about the white stem, but I still prefer the blue colouring on the 2014 bike.

    I suppose it just goes to show that bikes are very subjective. I've never cared much about looks. I wear cheap gear and was much more interested in function than appearance. Suddenly with a new bike on the way I'm trying to get helmet and shoes to match. The marketing men may have caught me after all!
  • passout
    passout Posts: 4,425
    I woudn't bother swapping groupsets - too much hassle & you never know what you are going to get on e-bay. If you want the latest 105, I'd just go for the latest bike. You can always change the stem & tape quite cheaply (although I wouldn't bother myself).
    'Happiness serves hardly any other purpose than to make unhappiness possible' Marcel Proust.
  • dj58
    dj58 Posts: 2,221
    Pigtail wrote:

    Nice bike - is it yours?

    You are right about the white stem, but I still prefer the blue colouring on the 2014 bike.

    I suppose it just goes to show that bikes are very subjective. I've never cared much about looks. I wear cheap gear and was much more interested in function than appearance. Suddenly with a new bike on the way I'm trying to get helmet and shoes to match. The marketing men may have caught me after all!

    No it is not my bike, it belongs to a BR forum member. It can be found in the Your Road Bikes sub forum, Show us your giants, P16, 14th post down.
  • DKay
    DKay Posts: 1,652
    passout wrote:
    I woudn't bother swapping groupsets - too much hassle & you never know what you are going to get on e-bay. If you want the latest 105, I'd just go for the latest bike. You can always change the stem & tape quite cheaply (although I wouldn't bother myself).

    That's why you don't sell them on ebay. I sell and buy all kinds of bits from the Classified section of this very forum and I've never been let down once.