Planet X dumping Shimano

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  • ju5t1n
    ju5t1n Posts: 2,028
    ugo.santalucia wrote:
    Manc33 wrote:
    Shimano parts were all over bikes 30 and 40 years ago but SRAM stuff wasn't - it was only founded in 1987.

    Shimano clearly have vastly more experience (founded 1921).

    And here it gets tricky as SRAM bought out Sachs in 1997.... now, Sachs is older than both Campagnolo and Shimano, being among the first to introduce the freewheel in the 19th century!! So who's the daddy now? :roll:
    Tour de France wins by groupset

    41 Campagnolo
    10 Simplex
    5 Shimano
    3 Huret
    2 SRAM
    2 Super Champion
    1 Mavic
    1 Vittoria Margherita

    http://cycling-passion.com/2012/11/01/t ... year-year/
  • dilatory
    dilatory Posts: 565
    If you look at those results it appears Campag are the dopers choice - as soon as the sport tries to clean up Campag stops winning. Until Nibbles wins this year on his completely clean team... Ahem. ;-))
  • rolf_f
    rolf_f Posts: 16,015
    ugo.santalucia wrote:
    Manc33 wrote:
    Shimano parts were all over bikes 30 and 40 years ago but SRAM stuff wasn't - it was only founded in 1987.

    Shimano clearly have vastly more experience (founded 1921).

    And here it gets tricky as SRAM bought out Sachs in 1997.... now, Sachs is older than both Campagnolo and Shimano, being among the first to introduce the freewheel in the 19th century!! So who's the daddy now? :roll:

    Why are you making rational considered responses to a Manc33 post?!
    Faster than a tent.......
  • keezx
    keezx Posts: 1,322
    Manc33 wrote:
    I just see Shimano as a company thats been in the game for so long now and revised their components so many times, its a no-brainer to buy Shimano, especially the drivetrain (he says with his SRAM cassette and chain). :oops:

    Talking about no brains: The chains and cassettes are the worst things SRAM puts on the market.
  • Ber Nard
    Ber Nard Posts: 827
    dilatory wrote:
    If you look at those results it appears Campag are the dopers choice - as soon as the sport tries to clean up Campag stops winning. Until Nibbles wins this year on his completely clean team... Ahem. ;-))

    Those results obviously discount Lance Armstrong's seven 'wins' on Shimano.
  • sniper68
    sniper68 Posts: 2,910
    This is strange.When I bought my RT-58 in Aug 2013 the were advertised with SRAM but I was told that they'd sold all the SRAM groupsets and from then on they'd only be dealing with Shimano.A year on and they're going the other way :?:
    I'm riding from Planet-X in the morning so I'm going to make enquiries.
    Lynskey R480

  • gozzy
    gozzy Posts: 640
    That's exactly what I remember happening. This whole thread is a lot of fuss over nothing, they'll just change suppliers again in 2016.
  • paul64
    paul64 Posts: 278
    iron-clover wrote:
    The major gripe I might have with SRAM is that I like climbing (and climbing steep hills!) and I find it handy that you can feel when you've reached the bottom of the block with Shimano, whereas I'm led to believe if you tried that with SRAM you'll shift into a higher gear...
    Not really a problem in practise to be honest but I guess those who race might have a different view
    iron-clover wrote:
    Also 3 years ago I heard from a racer at my uni broke one of his Force/ Red shifters, and another of his team had one snap as well so I'd be a little worried about durability. I'm sure SRAM has since sorted the fragility issue though.
    I certainly had this problem with the RH Rival shifter breaking, allegedly an original batch from circa 2010 having weak springs, replacement provided via local dealer FOC (I didn't buy the bike from them) and not a problem since. It's a common tale I think.

    I'm agnostic about the groups as I have the luxury of all 3. There are things I like and dislike about each of them, overall though I like all of them and wouldn't willingly go back to down tube friction shifters and poor brakes that I recall in my first years of cycling.
  • Manc33
    Manc33 Posts: 2,157
    marcusjb wrote:
    Sturmey Archer were all over bikes 50 and 60 years ago...

    They only make geared hubs.
    Keezx wrote:
    Manc33 wrote:
    I just see Shimano as a company thats been in the game for so long now and revised their components so many times, its a no-brainer to buy Shimano, especially the drivetrain (he says with his SRAM cassette and chain). :oops:

    Talking about no brains: The chains and cassettes are the worst things SRAM puts on the market.

    More a case of no money than no brains - with the SRAM 8-speed cassettes being dirt cheap (and a lot lighter than the Shimano HG ones) its adequate. Maybe if my gear changes were suffering at the back I might listen.

    If you are merely saying SRAM's cassettes are the worst thing SRAM put out, they work for me.

    Planet-X will only dump Shimano as long as Shimano don't lower their prices. Maybe PX is doing it for that reason, Shimano call up and say OK OK OK you win, have 5% off or whatever, PX says get lost, Shimano say 7.5%, PX says deal. Its a clever move if so, the bottom line is they don't need Shimano anymore and that's business.
  • keezx
    keezx Posts: 1,322
    Yes , it's a matter of money and business.
  • rolf_f
    rolf_f Posts: 16,015
    Manc33 wrote:
    marcusjb wrote:
    Sturmey Archer were all over bikes 50 and 60 years ago...
    <br abp="856"><br abp="857">They only make geared hubs.<br abp="858"><br abp="859">
    Keezx wrote:
    Manc33 wrote:
    <br abp="860">I just see Shimano as a company thats been in the game for so long now and revised their components so many times, its a no-brainer to buy Shimano, especially the drivetrain (he says with his SRAM cassette and chain). :oops: <br abp="861"><br abp="862">
    <br abp="863"><br abp="864">Talking about no brains: The chains and cassettes are the worst things SRAM puts on the market.
    <br abp="865"><br abp="866">More a case of no money than no brains - with the SRAM 8-speed cassettes being dirt cheap (and a lot lighter than the Shimano HG ones) its adequate. Maybe if my gear changes were suffering at the back I might listen.<br abp="867"><br abp="868">If you are merely saying SRAM's cassettes are the worst thing SRAM put out, they work for me.<br abp="869"><br abp="870">Planet-X will only dump Shimano as long as Shimano don't lower their prices. Maybe PX is doing it for that reason, Shimano call up and say OK OK OK you win, have 5% off or whatever, PX says get lost, Shimano say 7.5%, PX says deal. Its a clever move if so, the bottom line is they don't need Shimano anymore and that's business.

    I've not had any bother with SRAM chains and cassettes. On the other hand, their bottom brackets and hydraulic disc brakes, IME, do stink.
    Faster than a tent.......
  • gloomyandy
    gloomyandy Posts: 520
    paul64 wrote:
    iron-clover wrote:
    The major gripe I might have with SRAM is that I like climbing (and climbing steep hills!) and I find it handy that you can feel when you've reached the bottom of the block with Shimano, whereas I'm led to believe if you tried that with SRAM you'll shift into a higher gear...
    Not really a problem in practise to be honest but I guess those who race might have a different view

    Also not the case anymore, might have been like this once, but these days so long as you have things setup properly if you try to shift down a gear when you are in the lowest gear already, then the Sram shifter has a sort of dummy shift that will just click with no actual change. So very easy to tell when there are no more!
  • Manc33
    Manc33 Posts: 2,157
    Rolf F wrote:
    I've not had any bother with SRAM chains and cassettes. On the other hand, their bottom brackets and hydraulic disc brakes, IME, do stink.

    That's just the sort of stuff where if a Shimano one was available, I would get the Shimano one. Then again if I was getting disc brakes I would avoid Shimano and so it goes. I would be looking at Hope, Magura, Avid. OK maybe not Magura, I'm not Bill Gates. :lol:
  • rolf_f
    rolf_f Posts: 16,015
    Manc33 wrote:
    Rolf F wrote:
    I've not had any bother with SRAM chains and cassettes. On the other hand, their bottom brackets and hydraulic disc brakes, IME, do stink.

    That's just the sort of stuff where if a Shimano one was available, I would get the Shimano one. Then again if I was getting disc brakes I would avoid Shimano and so it goes. I would be looking at Hope, Magura, Avid. OK maybe not Magura, I'm not Bill Gates. :lol:

    Except that Shimano chains seem to have a bad reputation (no personal experience myself) and Shimano disc brakes are excellent. Certainly my SLX brakes are vastly superior to the Avid Juicy's they replaced (Avid being the same thing as SRAM). Why would you avoid Shimano disks? I don't think I've heard a word against them.
    Faster than a tent.......
  • Manc33
    Manc33 Posts: 2,157
    Rolf F wrote:
    Manc33 wrote:
    Rolf F wrote:
    I've not had any bother with SRAM chains and cassettes. On the other hand, their bottom brackets and hydraulic disc brakes, IME, do stink.

    That's just the sort of stuff where if a Shimano one was available, I would get the Shimano one. Then again if I was getting disc brakes I would avoid Shimano and so it goes. I would be looking at Hope, Magura, Avid. OK maybe not Magura, I'm not Bill Gates. :lol:

    Except that Shimano chains seem to have a bad reputation (no personal experience myself) and Shimano disc brakes are excellent. Certainly my SLX brakes are vastly superior to the Avid Juicy's they replaced (Avid being the same thing as SRAM). Why would you avoid Shimano disks? I don't think I've heard a word against them.

    It wasn't their whole range of disc brakes, it was when I was looking at the XTR ones and people seemed to opt for some other brand like the best Avid one (Elixir?), or Hope. Then again when that sort of money is being thrown around I don't blame them IF the Shimano ones seemed a bit pricey for what they were.

    No I never intended to implicate the entire range of Shimano disc brakes. :oops: Also I am going back about 5-8 years.
  • DeVlaeminck
    DeVlaeminck Posts: 9,106
    Shimano has the tradition and the heritage for those who like the idea of classic Japanese engineering but those who want value for money and function over form it has to be Microshift.
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