Mudguards

pinno

Woah, although you have pioneered riveting the clips to the skewers, I still hold the patent for riveting the mudguards to the caliper mounts.

So I am suing you. See you in court.

Oh and clean up your workbench - what a bloody mess.

fudgey

I used different rivets!
And yes, the workbench is a tip. I finish work on the 19th and one of the jobs on my list is to tidy the garage and utility/workshop...

I need more space for all my junk.

markhewitt1978

I put the Raceblade shorts on. Although they don't give full coverage there's plenty of clearance for 25mm plus a good throughput of mud.

pinno

Fudgey wrote:

I used different rivets!
And yes, the workbench is a tip. I finish work on the 19th and one of the jobs on my list is to tidy the garage and utility/workshop...

I need more space for all my junk.

I think that was a good idea to rivet the skewer mounts too. Yes, since riveting the crudcatchers on to the clip, they are solid. Went over rough roads and all sorts (60 miles) last Sunday and no problems or spooky rattles/threats of doing a wobbly under the rear caliper. I also got rid of the front one entirely. Click on Wiggle Honda.

fudgey

I had already taken the front bit off ages ago as it rattled, but that has had the rivet treatment too so i put it back on, much better. But unsure if ill keep it on yet as it looks a bit pony!

Although i have not ridden the bike since to test any of the above...

pinno

Fudgey wrote:

I had already taken the front bit off ages ago as it rattled, but that has had the rivet treatment too so i put it back on, much better. But unsure if ill keep it on yet as it looks a bit pony!

Although i have not ridden the bike since to test any of the above...

What ?! Well there is no way I am going to try to rivet the rest until you play crash test dummy and submit a report..

pinno

Could have gone down the route of 'Fender nuts*' but have stumbled on yet another Raceblade long adaption short of welding some frikking angle iron to the bike..
Will post some pics later. Right now, need to get the Lasagne ready for later...

*Not sure how they are supposed to work on a recessed alen key nut for brake caliper anyway.

fudgey

Eh?

Fyi mine are currently still going strong. I did have one brake bridge bracket snap on the rear last year but easy fix.

Oh and i did have a foot to front guard mishap that caused it to bend in a kind of Z shape before jamming the front wheel, luckily at approx 1mph... Easily bent back tho.

pinno

I have tapped the end of a 30mm recessed alen key nut so that the alen key head is still available to wind it in and now i'm poised to put a short ss bolt that I cut (M6 I think) into it.
The reason being is that the clip goes backwards underneath the front caliper and in the process, reduces the tyre size I can use. I have a new 27mm Vittoria Open Pave on the rear but an old 23mm conti on the front and it's passed it's sell by date and I have another Vittoria to replace it that won't fit at the moment.
So, by attaching the clip thingy to the rear of the fork, I can fit the tyre. The other thing is that the clearance is so small, the crud build up has to be shifted by moving the mud guard or bunny hopping on the move. It's doing my nut in, especially given the condition of the roads and all the mud the tractors are leaving on the road at the moment.

fudgey

Ah i see, not a bad idea that.
I fitted a 28 to the rear on sat for an audax i did on sunday, there was 1mm or less between the tyre and rear mount.
I also had to remove the bit i fabricated to go on the downtube as the tyre rubbed.

Now have the 25 back on and the extra bit of mudguard. Its still filthy out at the mo.

Makes quite a difference actually

pinno

Yes, it does make a difference. I have the same 1mm clearance. Funny that; on a Colnago too. Snap!
Oddly, my summer bike has so much clearance, I could fit the cruds and a pair of 30mm's and still have clearance.

I went silly on today's ride and was going to post some pics of the 'experiment' but cba as i'm goosed. Did you see those 'fender nuts'?




Great idea but would only work on the rear for me as they aren't deep enough for the front forks. Unless I can find one's long enough.. Might do a bit of research...

Yes. Available on 32mm but pricey at £16 a pair. I'll try my method and if it doesn't work for a reason that I haven't anticipated, i'll take the plunge.

fudgey

Its times like these i could do with a lathe!
Let us know how you get on.

Garry H

Fudgey wrote:

Ah i see, not a bad idea that.
I fitted a 28 to the rear on sat for an audax i did on sunday, there was 1mm or less between the tyre and rear mount.
I also had to remove the bit i fabricated to go on the downtube as the tyre rubbed.

Now have the 25 back on and the extra bit of mudguard. Its still filthy out at the mo.

Makes quite a difference actually

Ooh, I like that bodge. I have an old mudguard somewhere.

fudgey

That is an offcut of 45x45mm plastic trunking cable tied on. Works well at keeping gunk off the front mech and chainrings.

tonye_n

May be better idea to use these.

http://www.southforkracing.co.uk/8647/p ... oCkE7w_wcB

http://road.cc/content/review/95213-pdw ... al-fenders

pinno

Fudgey wrote:

Its times like these i could do with a lathe!
Let us know how you get on.

All you need is a friendly engineer who lets you use his stuff once in a while and in return you give him beer and chuck work his way.
If my DIY job works, then all you need is a tapping set.

Re.: Metal mudguards tonye: That's quite an outlay and besides, the tyre clearance under the calipers won't be any different with little adjustment options. It may have an oval eyelet but clearance is dictated by the distance between the bolt hole in the fork and the rear brake mount to the top of the tyre. We're trying to get around this.
No set of crudcatchers for frames without eyelets give you much options in this department. As the trend is going towards fatter, bigger tyres, it will be a while until all frames have better tyre clearance and besides, I don't want to give up my C40 just 'cos I can't fit the tyre of my choice and some mudguards.
For £76 (quite sure they'll be available somewhere else for much less) is twice the price of the SKS.

fudgey

Yes, for frames with no allowance for guards space is very tight, this is a 25c tyre on mine, so if i had the guards in your link that pass under the calliper there would be no chance of them fitting

ayjaycee

During my quest to fit mudguards on my Specialized Allez (with 25mm Conti GP 4 Seasons), I tried all sorts without success including those from PDW. It's a pity the PDWs didn't work as they were far and away the best quality mudguards that I have ever seen (which they probably should be for the asking price!). In the end, I managed to bodge some Giant guards and they are now a permanent fixture on the bike. FWIW, I explained more about the fitting process with a load of pictures in another thread here: viewtopic.php?f=40042&t=13040738

They have been on the bike for 2 years now and are still rock solid. Without trying to tempt fate, if I broke one tomorrow, I would probably go out and buy another pair of the same straight away.

jgsi

The PDWs have been on the commuter/trainer since last September.
Solid, silent, successful... max 23mm but only 1 unreasonable puncture in the succeeding months... mudguards did not interfere with a 5 minute roadside tyre swap... the other puncture was a once only detour onto a cycle path... ran over a smashed bottle in the dark and pouring rain.
Can recommend 100%
My commute was an agricultural A road... it would have destroyed plastic guards within a month.

pinno

Don't want to be restricted to 23mm's. I love the Vittorias and ajaycee - you did a complete piece on it but you have so little tyre clearance. I had crud stuck in the front caliper within 5 miles of going out.
Schhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh... Drives me up the wall.

pinno

Here we go.

Previous set up:



Long clip extracted. Short clip ready to go in. Threaded caliper bolt, rivet and M6 bolt. Washer.



All bolted together:



...and Bingo, replete with Vittoria tyre. Enough clearance to fit half a cattle grid:



I bent the clip a little so that the clearance was less 'severe'. I suppose I could use a domed alen key bolt, so it''s less agricultural. In fact an older type of Look cleat bolt would probably do. I used a touch of threadlock and I may shorten the clip and re drill a hole if that gap to the fork doesn't work out.

pinno

(I also might clean the thing!)

fudgey

Good stuff, looks like it will work well.
Let me know when you have a solution for the rear haha.

pinno

Fudgey wrote:

Good stuff, looks like it will work well.
Let me know when you have a solution for the rear haha.

Well, I have enough clearance on the rear, so I don't need to adapt it (thankfully).

However, the tyre is only 2mm clear of the fork.

Garry H

Pinno wrote:

Fudgey wrote:

Good stuff, looks like it will work well.
Let me know when you have a solution for the rear haha.

Well, I have enough clearance on the rear, so I don't need to adapt it (thankfully).

However, the tyre is only 2mm clear of the fork.

If you bought a proper bike you wouldn't have any of these issues.

pinno

Garry H wrote:

Pinno wrote:

Fudgey wrote:

Good stuff, looks like it will work well.
Let me know when you have a solution for the rear haha.

Well, I have enough clearance on the rear, so I don't need to adapt it (thankfully).

However, the tyre is only 2mm clear of the fork.

If you bought a proper bike you wouldn't have any of these issues.

You forgot to click on the little green icon.
...and you are a merchant banker with no excuse.

Garry H

fudgey

Garry H wrote:

Pinno wrote:

Fudgey wrote:

Good stuff, looks like it will work well.
Let me know when you have a solution for the rear haha.

Well, I have enough clearance on the rear, so I don't need to adapt it (thankfully).

However, the tyre is only 2mm clear of the fork.

If you bought a proper bike you wouldn't have any of these issues.

I have.
I have a Colnago CX Zero alloy for a winter/general use bike
A Colnago AC-R which has been demoted to holiday bike after a crash and repair, and now resides in Spain
A Colnago C60 for summer/best weather bike
And a Transition Scout for off road duties
Oh and a GT Zaskar LE for retro coolness.

All proper bikes. Just none you can fit mudguards to.

pinno

Fudgey wrote:

Garry H wrote:

Pinno wrote:

Fudgey wrote:

Good stuff, looks like it will work well.
Let me know when you have a solution for the rear haha.

Well, I have enough clearance on the rear, so I don't need to adapt it (thankfully).

However, the tyre is only 2mm clear of the fork.

If you bought a proper bike you wouldn't have any of these issues.

I have.
I have a Colnago CX Zero alloy for a winter/general use bike
A Colnago AC-R which has been demoted to holiday bike after a crash and repair, and now resides in Spain
A Colnago C60 for summer/best weather bike
And a Transition Scout for off road duties
Oh and a GT Zaskar LE for retro coolness.

All proper bikes. Just none you can fit mudguards to.

Keep yer hair on - he just wants my C40.

Garry H

Fudgey wrote:

Garry H wrote:

Pinno wrote:

Fudgey wrote:

Good stuff, looks like it will work well.
Let me know when you have a solution for the rear haha.

Well, I have enough clearance on the rear, so I don't need to adapt it (thankfully).

However, the tyre is only 2mm clear of the fork.

If you bought a proper bike you wouldn't have any of these issues.

I have.
I have a Colnago CX Zero alloy for a winter/general use bike
A Colnago AC-R which has been demoted to holiday bike after a crash and repair, and now resides in Spain
A Colnago C60 for summer/best weather bike
And a Transition Scout for off road duties
Oh and a GT Zaskar LE for retro coolness.

All proper bikes. Just none you can fit mudguards to.

Very good. The only one from that list that impresses me is the Zaskar LE :P