hand built deep rims

ianbar

i have some hand builds which i am very happy with, h plus son rims on hope hubs. not i see these more as all round training wheels and i am starting to think about something sexier looking for next summer! so what suggestions are there for some deep rims to have built up. bearing in mind my current ones cost £400 i certainly wouldn't spend more then £600 really for the whole wheel build as a guide...obviously less is good

ugo.santalucia

You'll have to take a punt of Chinese rims, innit...?

ianbar

oh is that really my only option? that a bit of a downer!

ugo.santalucia

You can have them with westernised stickers, but they are still Chinese rims... they are not that dreadful these days... if you go to the Alps, take your Archetype with you...

tlw1

so........... how much for none Chinese and able to take to the alps?

cycleclinic

Non chinese deep rims means heavy H plus son SL42 think 630g per rim, heavy BLB notorius rims (made in taiwan but maybe made in china as is sometimes the case with made in taiwan) or really expensive ENVE rims.

As ugo said Chinese rims are actually decent, I would say good but in my view no carbon is for any decent that would get an alloy rim hot, i,e long and twisty, long and flowing is not a problem.

kangarouge

I suppose it depends on what you mean by deep section. What about some IRD Cadence? Not particularly deep though but reasonably light.

cycleclinic

Thats the Kinlin XR-300. It is narrow and not that stiff compared to say the archetype which is only 20g heavier. It's O.K but the Kinlin XC-279 is a far better rim, stiffer, wider, cheap and only 490g each. 27mm deep as well and probably more aero. However the OP has archetype rim already. Why not stick to what you have unless you plan to spend c.£700 on a u,k builder doing you a set of carbon clinchers/tubs.

ivanoile

Just find some used FFWD wheels.

Grill

I have a set of 38mm carbon tubs laced to Soul Kozak hubs. I also have ENVE 6.7 tubs on CK R45 hubs. The difference is ridiculous. Anyone want to buy a set of barely used 38mm tubs?

Mr Dog

Hey Grill care to explain the difference.. is it in the rims.. aerodynamics.. quality of the hubs? Just ordered a set of cheap 38mm tubs with Hope hubs from a local wheel builder.

Grill

Errr... everything. There's nothing wrong with the 38mm set, but considering that they're being compared against pretty much the best rims and hubs out there, it's not really fair. There's nothing wrong with a Focus ST, but it's not a Lambo.

cycleclinic

again what difference do you feel. The 6.7 rims are deeper they will be more aero, I suspect that is the big difference you notice along with power trnasfer due to the stiffer rim which may also influence handling. What width tyres are you running with them?

Mr Dog

Spares are an issue. My LBS has all the component parts of the wheel in stock.The Sapim Laser spokes are easy to find anywhere. Ianbar... if like me you looking at £600 - £700 then Enve is out of the question. I don't think in all honesty that I would be able to do justice to high end wheels and I enjoy the process of buying from a guy I can pester when I've got a bit of spare time ;-)

Grill

thecycleclinic wrote:

again what difference do you feel. The 6.7 rims are deeper they will be more aero, I suspect that is the big difference you notice along with power trnasfer due to the stiffer rim which may also influence handling. What width tyres are you running with them?

I run the same tubs on both (Schwalbe Ultremo HT 22mm). Obviously they're stiffer and more aero, but there's a certain je ne sais quoi about really nice hubs (DA, CK, Royce, etc.) that's difficult to describe. They're just a pleasure.

Brailsford Bad

Grill wrote:

I have a set of 38mm carbon tubs laced to Soul Kozak hubs. I also have ENVE 6.7 tubs on CK R45 hubs. The difference is ridiculous. Anyone want to buy a set of barely used 38mm tubs?

That will be a hard sell after you've just told everyone they aren't as good as almost everything else you own and are a bit shjt.
Good luck with that on Dragons Den.

Grill

Brailsford Bad wrote:

Grill wrote:

I have a set of 38mm carbon tubs laced to Soul Kozak hubs. I also have ENVE 6.7 tubs on CK R45 hubs. The difference is ridiculous. Anyone want to buy a set of barely used 38mm tubs?

That will be a hard sell after you've just told everyone they aren't as good as almost everything else you own and are a bit shjt.
Good luck with that on Dragons Den.

Saying a one product is superior to another doesn't make the other one bad. The Enve's are 4x the price so any reasonable person would expect them to be better.

Mr Dog

Grill seems to know his kit. If I hadn't just ordered my new hoops then I may have been interested. 38mm suits my location, hilly and windy coastal towns. I'm in no doubt that the Enve's are a great set of wheels. I don't think you'll struggle selling them, good spec and there are plenty of punters like me who are desperate to improve their mediocre performance at any cost.