Chorus or Record 2015

jamie4759

Morning all. I am replacing my current Campagnolo groupset with one of the 2015 groupsets. I am toying with the idea of going for Chorus but I would like to know what people's views are regarding the difference between Chorus and Record, and whether Record is worth the extra ££££'s. It seems to make sense to go for Chorus as it is clearly a better price but do you get so much more in terms of performance / durability with the Record? Or, are you just paying for less weight and the bling factor?

bmxboy10

I think you already know the answer......

cal_stewart

I'm thinking the same. Currently on 09 SR11. Looking at EPS and Mech groups, don't think I'd go SR again unless spec'd on a complete bike. Believe on the EPS everything is the same across the line in the motors and bearings etc, its just weight and how much carbon you get.

The only thing for me, is there a crank stiffness different?

But for me its getting harder to choose above chorus. The gap is not as defined as Ultegra and Durace

rc856

solboy10 wrote:

I think you already know the answer......

Yes.....buy Record

Spudboy

Chorus = head
Record = heart

LegendLust

RC856 wrote:

solboy10 wrote:

I think you already know the answer......

Yes.....buy Record

No buy Super Record

mm1

I have 10 speed (c.10 years old) and 11 speed Chorus on my bikes and absolutely love it. If I had the money though, it would be Super Record on every bike.

cycleclinic

Only because you are a tart. Chorus in reality performs just as well as record. The OP must be one of the few who likes Campagnolo's new chainsets, I'm not sure I could bring my self to fit one.

You could always get the Super Record RS groupset while the stocks are still about. Not much left though.

rolf_f

Chorus is the thinking persons choice. I always respect the choice and discernment of the owner when I see an expensive frame fitted out with Chorus rather than Record.

Of course, my Look is now mostly Record...........

thecycleclinic wrote:

The OP must be one of the few who likes Campagnolo's new chainsets, I'm not sure I could bring my self to fit one.

I fondly hope that Campagnolo will see sense and one day start making nice looking chainsets again. If all they do is try to copy Shimano, what is the point of Campagnolo?

neeb

The only discernible difference between chorus and record is a tiny bit of weight (equivalent to two or three swigs from your water bottle) and the different logos. But it's record, and that's reason enough for some.

Rolf F wrote:

Chorus is the thinking persons choice. I always respect the choice and discernment of the owner when I see an expensive frame fitted out with Chorus rather than Record.

I tend to think something similar when I see record instead of SR. Lots of people have chorus and quite a lot have SR, but very few choose record for an own-build. SR if money is no object and you must have the top of the line, chorus if you are being completely practical about it, but to choose record implies both an appreciation of the history of the marque as well as a certain disdain for maximal OTT bling, especially if the value of the frame, wheels and other components suggests that the owner could just as easily have afforded SR.

theobrixton

When I built my Basso a few months ago I worried that I might regret my decision to go with Chorus instead of Record or SR. Haven't thought about it since, Chorus is just superb.

Whatever you go with make sure you post some pics!

rolf_f

neeb wrote:

I tend to think something similar when I see record instead of SR. Lots of people have chorus and quite a lot have SR, but very few choose record for an own-build. SR if money is no object and you must have the top of the line, chorus if you are being completely practical about it, but to choose record implies both an appreciation of the history of the marque as well as a certain disdain for maximal OTT bling, especially if the value of the frame, wheels and other components suggests that the owner could just as easily have afforded SR.

There's a bit of a danger though that that approach over states the significance of the name rather than the spec. For example, I ended up with SR brakes because I managed to get a brand new pair on Ebay for little over £100 - it would have been silly not to. As far as I can tell, the only difference between them and Record brakes is that SR gets titanium screws - but one of the distinguishing features of my 10 speed Record mechs is the use of titanium for the screws and bolts - so you could argue that the old Record really matches across to the current SR and it's Campagnolo who have lacked an appreciation of history by downgrading Record to a (marginally!) second tier product.

Dodger747

Super Record obviously 8)

But, I hate the new chainset, so I'd go for a 2014 model!

ugo.santalucia

The tip of Campagnolo technology has been Chorus since 1990 or so... Record and above only introduce some laughably marginal weight reduction and a few acronyms to push up the bill. Chorus is the choice of the people in the know, Record and above are for bankers and dentists...

ilm_zero7

LegendLust wrote:

RC856 wrote:

solboy10 wrote:

I think you already know the answer......

Yes.....buy Record

No buy Super Record

No buy Super Record RS ! its brilliant

ilm_zero7

Dodger747 wrote:

Super Record obviously 8)

But, I hate the new chainset, so I'd go for a 2014 model!

couldn't agree more - hate the 4-spoke Jap-crap look

Tjgoodhew

ILM Zero7 wrote:

Dodger747 wrote:

Super Record obviously 8)

But, I hate the new chainset, so I'd go for a 2014 model!

couldn't agree more - hate the 4-spoke Jap-crap look

After reading this thread i have just checked out the 2015 groups. The horror !!!!! what on earth have they done to the styling !!!!

rolf_f

ugo.santalucia wrote:

Chorus is the choice of the people in the know, Record and above are for bankers and dentists...

Not quite. For the bargain hunter, Record is comparatively good value for some reason not costing much more than Chorus. Probably because there isn't much Chorus about so people chase it in search of bargains pushing the prices up. That's my experience - I want a Chorus rear mech for my eventually to be built Scott CR1 but the Ebay bargains just aren't there!

ugo.santalucia

Rolf F wrote:

Not quite. For the bargain hunter, Record is comparatively good value for some reason not costing much more than Chorus. Probably because there isn't much Chorus about so people chase it in search of bargains pushing the prices up. That's my experience - I want a Chorus rear mech for my eventually to be built Scott CR1 but the Ebay bargains just aren't there!

Your case is niche... it's irrelevant to the topic, given the OP is talking about 2015 groupsets

rolf_f

ugo.santalucia wrote:

Rolf F wrote:

Not quite. For the bargain hunter, Record is comparatively good value for some reason not costing much more than Chorus. Probably because there isn't much Chorus about so people chase it in search of bargains pushing the prices up. That's my experience - I want a Chorus rear mech for my eventually to be built Scott CR1 but the Ebay bargains just aren't there!

Your case is niche... it's irrelevant to the topic, given the OP is talking about 2015 groupsets

I sincerely apologise for having the audacity to move an inch or two off topic on an internet forum thread. I hope it will never happen again.

ugo.santalucia

Rolf F wrote:

I sincerely apologise for having the audacity to move an inch or two off topic on an internet forum thread. I hope it will never happen again.

I'll let you go for this time...

cal_stewart

currently on 09SR 11 brakes what to upgrade to dual pivot, is there any difference in power between the chorus and SR?

If power is the same I'm going chorus.

neeb

Cal_Stewart wrote:

currently on 09SR 11 brakes what to upgrade to dual pivot, is there any difference in power between the chorus and SR?

If power is the same I'm going chorus.

The design of the skeleton brakes has been effectively unchanged since 10sp Record, and IMO there is no detectable difference in performance between chorus, Record and SR. Not sure if the current chorus have the full ball-bearing bearings like Record and SR (and older chorus), but I don't think it makes a difference anyway. The only real difference is weight. Of course if you are replacing a SR brakeset with single pivot at the rear with a Chorus one with dual pivot front and rear you will be adding weight on two counts (if you are bothered about that). The dual pivot on the rear will of course be more powerful for the rear, but not because it is SR, Record or Chorus.

cal_stewart

It's all about performance. As my brakes are 09 they are both single pivot.

30g difference give or take is not worth the money.

neeb

Cal_Stewart wrote:

It's all about performance. As my brakes are 09 they are both single pivot.

Are you sure? I thought all of the front campagnolo brakes in 09 and for some time before were double pivot, it was only the rear that was single pivot. Even in 09 I think you could buy a rear double pivot as an optional alternative.

DeVlaeminck

neeb wrote:

Cal_Stewart wrote:

It's all about performance. As my brakes are 09 they are both single pivot.

Are you sure? I thought all of the front campagnolo brakes in 09 and for some time before were double pivot, it was only the rear that was single pivot. Even in 09 I think you could buy a rear double pivot as an optional alternative.

Unless he means 1909 ?

adamfo

Chorus is so similar, but jeeze the chainsets are so ugly....

http://www.campagnolo.com/WW/en/Mechani ... horus/road

cycleclinic

chorus/record/SR front brakes are dual pivot. The rear can be single or dual pivot.