4iiii’s Introduces $399 Power Meter - DC Rainmaker

jgarpotter

http://www.dcrainmaker.com/2014/09/4iii ... ision.html

The UK price hasn't been confirmed, it requires the user to install the pod, instead of receiving a crank with one on (like stages).

$399 for the first PM, then $349 for the second (you can install one or the other). The $399 package includes the installation device.

dilatory

Goodness me. A reasonably priced L&R power meter that I can use on any crank? Excited to see what their testing on carbon cranks comes up with, because I'll be all over this if so.

jgarpotter

dilatory wrote:

Goodness me. A reasonably priced L&R power meter that I can use on any crank? Excited to see what their testing on carbon cranks comes up with, because I'll be all over this if so.

"Carbon Cranks: Thus far their testing “looks good” according to them, but they’re continuing to test cranks there."

It does sound positive!

iPete

Excellent! Be amazing if they could keep the price close to £300. Should force Stages hand too, as DC said, they are raking it in whilst they have little competition.

DavidJB

madasahattersley wrote:

I predict hoards of leisure riders becoming depressed and disillusioned with riding and quitting.

Haha yes...

I can imagine it now

Gets power meter...
Does FTP test...
235w @ 80KG...
Goes to Andrew Coggan chart to compare...
Quits cycling...
Sells bike...
Takes up golf.

iPete

but I already gave up golf because my stats sucked compared with Rory, where next?!

DavidJB

iPete wrote:

but I already gave up golf because my stats sucked compared with Rory, where next?!

Badminton?

slowbike

DavidJB wrote:

madasahattersley wrote:

I predict hoards of leisure riders becoming depressed and disillusioned with riding and quitting.

Haha yes...

I can imagine it now

Gets power meter...
Does FTP test...
235w @ 80KG...
Goes to Andrew Coggan chart to compare...
Quits cycling...
Sells bike...
Takes up golf.

Ah phew .... happy with my W/Kg ... well - not happy in that I need to improve it, but happy it's not off the bottom of the chart!

MountainMonster

madasahattersley wrote:

I predict hoards of leisure riders becoming depressed and disillusioned with riding and quitting.

Or getting more motivated. I won't be putting down big watts, but it would be fun to track progression.

If I wasn't poor I would buy one!

iPete

DavidJB wrote:

iPete wrote:

but I already gave up golf because my stats sucked compared with Rory, where next?!

Badminton?

Hmm, may just go back to triathlon, I'll be awesome on the bike there

herzog

iPete wrote:

DavidJB wrote:

iPete wrote:

but I already gave up golf because my stats sucked compared with Rory, where next?!

Badminton?

Hmm, may just go back to triathlon, I'll be awesome on the bike there

Yeah, but you'll forget how to go round corners

Bar Shaker

I love seeing small companies innovate products like this. At that price, it will tempt a lot of club racers and people who just take their fitness seriously.

StillGoing

Bar Shaker wrote:

I love seeing small companies innovate products like this. At that price, it will tempt a lot of club racers and people who just take their fitness seriously.

+1

john1967

madasahattersley wrote:

I predict hoards of leisure riders becoming depressed and disillusioned with riding and quitting.

Yeah cos we cant all be mega cyclists like you.

dilatory

madasahattersley wrote:

I predict hoards of leisure riders becoming depressed and disillusioned with riding and quitting.

I heard it happens to aspiring pros too!

What's wrong with your average cyclist who wants to improve his efforts getting a power meter? If one of these came to the market at £300 I'd get one in a heartbeat. Hell, I'm half tempted to get a P2Max. Is there a problem with people using the money and tools available to them to be the best they can in their chosen sport?

frisbee

MountainMonster wrote:

madasahattersley wrote:

I predict hoards of leisure riders becoming depressed and disillusioned with riding and quitting.

Or getting more motivated. I won't be putting down big watts, but it would be fun to track progression.

If I wasn't poor I would buy one!

Exactly. I would love to see what my power is.

FatTed

A power meter certainly makes it clear that pros are pros for a reason, my power outputs are pretty hopeless in comparison. Andrew Coggan suggests everyone can get to 4W/Kg FTP. I guess that may be possible, but I found it very hard to achieve that. Good on you Luke for giving it a go instead of just talking about it.

DavidJB

FatTed wrote:

A power meter certainly makes it clear that pros are pros for a reason, my power outputs are pretty hopeless in comparison. Andrew Coggan suggests everyone can get to 4W/Kg FTP. I guess that may be possible, but I found it very hard to achieve that. Good on you Luke for giving it a go instead of just talking about it.

Well according to that chart my FTP W/KG is the same as a crap domestic pro and about as genetically athletic as a cabbage...I just train hard. I actually think those values on the chart are a bit low these days as the standard has increased because I'm distinctly average in a National B race...but obviously FTP is just a training guide and not that useful in races where it's 30 second to 5 minute power which are very important.

It's one thing having a power meter it's quite another using it properly and not just using it as an expensive computer. Most club riders I know just want to go out and thrash it as hard as they an for the entire ride...there's nothing wrong with that if that's what you enjoy but what's the point of having a power meter if you aren't going to train to your zones.

Bit of a douchey comment there dilatory at least he had the balls to try and achieve his dream even if it didn't work out for him.

slowbike

FatTed wrote:

A power meter certainly makes it clear that pros are pros for a reason, my power outputs are pretty hopeless in comparison. Andrew Coggan suggests everyone can get to 4W/Kg FTP. I guess that may be possible, but I found it very hard to achieve that. Good on you Luke for giving it a go instead of just talking about it.

Hmm ... never looked at W/Kg. Having just bought a power meter (to measure winter training) I've now got a reasonable idea of what I can maintain for good periods of time.... 4W/Kg isn't that far away ... and was about where I was aiming for in the winter training improvement plan ... Although I probably won't quite reach that far ....

term1te

Looks interesting. They could maybe make better margins, and the unit a bit cheaper, if they rented the "special sauce calibration unit". If it costs $100 and you only need it for 5 minutes, why not charge the customer $100 and refund them $80 when they return it after use? The unit price is then closer to $320 and becomes even more attractive.

jgarpotter

Term1te wrote:

Looks interesting. They could maybe make better margins, and the unit a bit cheaper, if they rented the "special sauce calibration unit". If it costs $100 and you only need it for 5 minutes, why not charge the customer $100 and refund them $80 when they return it after use? The unit price is then closer to $320 and becomes even more attractive.

You can buy another pod afterwards for $349, or maybe you could buy that pod from your lbs and they install it for an extra £20 or so?

dilatory

madasahattersley wrote:

dilatory wrote:

madasahattersley wrote:

I predict hoards of leisure riders becoming depressed and disillusioned with riding and quitting.

I heard it happens to aspiring pros too!

What's wrong with your average cyclist who wants to improve his efforts getting a power meter? If one of these came to the market at £300 I'd get one in a heartbeat. Hell, I'm half tempted to get a P2Max. Is there a problem with people using the money and tools available to them to be the best they can in their chosen sport?

Clearly I never said any of that and it has nothing at all to do with what I wrote. But cheers for misconstruing my words and making a pretty hurtful personal insult for no good reason. Nice one.

A bit too much recovery wine and too long browsing internet cycling forums had left me saturated with thinly veiled digs at "casual" cyclists and I might have in my eagerness come off as a bit of a cnut! Apologies.

dilatory

madasahattersley wrote:

dilatory wrote:

A bit too much recovery wine and too long browsing internet cycling forums had left me saturated with thinly veiled digs at "casual" cyclists and I might have in my eagerness come off as a bit of a cnut! Apologies.

Proper consumption of recovery wine should leave you unable to type or even recognise a computer

Well, I'm still learning!

Bar Shaker

Luke's put down of leisure cyclists using power meters was potentially valid, as was dilatory's note on wannabe pros.

I don't see the need for anyone to apologise.