Narrowed my new bike down to the final 3

Jimbeam3678

So I've narrowed my bike search down for £2000 which one would you choose?

http://www.rutlandcycling.com/281204/pr ... -bike.aspx

http://www.rutlandcycling.com/281210/pr ... -bike.aspx

http://www.cervelo.com/en/bikes/r-series/r2.html

I'm edging towards the SL5 but cant make my mind up on the colour ...

Cervelo I've ridden before but it didn't quite do it for me and slightly worried by all the BB part of the frame developing the squeak of death ...

Thoughts ?

trailflow

First two links are broke.

DKay

They're not broken. They're just plain wrong.

Jimbeam3678 wrote:

So I've narrowed my bike search down for £2000 which one would you choose?

http://www.cervelo.com/en/bikes/r-series/r2.html

Cervelo I've ridden before but it didn't quite do it for me and slightly worried by all the BB part of the frame developing the squeak of death ...

Thoughts ?

I personally wouldn't put a bike on my short list if I'd ridden it, didn't like it and was concerned about it's spec. :?

Jimbeam3678

All fixed for you guys

Spudboy

IMHO the Trek look hideous and I don't understand that if the Cervelo didn't do it for you before why you are considering them. For me a bike should excite you and make you want to ride it. Personally I would look at the Bianchi Sempre Pro 105 which comes in around the £2k mark and is an amazingly good frame.

If you must pick one of these 3 then Cervelo but I suggest a rethink.

Jules Winnfield

I would have a look on Canyons website, you should find something on there in your price range. Personally I can't stand Trek bikes, I would rather gouge my eyes out with a rusty spoon than buy one of them. The Cervelo doesn't do it for me either. But that's just my subjective opinion.

Fishboyz

Canyon

SoSimple

I'm all for moving away from the 'stealth' colour scheme but not sure I quite get where Trek are going with some of their 2015 colours- or the weight thing as the frames may well be light but once they chuck all the Bontrager finishing kit and wheels on,8kg+ weight kind of defeats their USP.

As someone has already said, it needs to be a bike that makes you want to stand and admire it, before, during and after a ride and while each of those bikes have their own merits, for me they simply don't offer that feeling.

I keep going back to Canyons on the basis they offer the best spec but can't get excited about the colour - still as they say, your own baby is always the most beautiful!

I'm in the same position as you both in terms of looking and being unable to even get to a short list, although I've ridden the De Rosa R838 and Merak and they are still in the frame!

Jimbeam3678

I feel like I have to explain myself a little more here , I did have an Orbea Orca 105 beautiful bike paired with Hope/H plus & sons wheels. Totally faultless , however I had an argument with a car and myself and the bike came off worst
The bike was a write off and I broke my leg in 3 bits, I'm still recovering from the 2 weeks away from being able to putting full weight on it and finally being able to get fit again.

I would love to get same bike bike again but Orbea are changing the frame again and I can't stand them. I've tried looking for an 2013-4 frame in black and yellow but none to be seen.

So I'm back with my shortlist which is what the shop sells and I've tied down to this shop for insurance purposes and down to the fact I like the shop and they look after me. Also I'm buying a winter bike through them as well so hopefully going to wangle a deal out of them.

The Cervelo is still on my list as I rode one a couple of years ago and I remember thinking its not all that. However that was a few years ago and I've read reviews of it and it seems to get positive reviews everywhere. Once I can actually jump on a bike again hopefully in few weeks time I'm going to give them all a ride and see what I think.

So before I could ride any of them I thought I canvass opinions on them to help keep me motivated with my rehabilitation and so I know what to look out for and to ask

Hope that all makes sense now

Jimbeam3678

You can but its not really a internet shop so to speak.

http://www.yorkcycleworks.com/

arlowood

Jimbeam3678 wrote:

You can but its not really a internet shop so to speak.

http://www.yorkcycleworks.com/

Also have Wilier on their list of brands supplied. How about this as another option:-

http://www.wilierbikes.co.uk/2013/produ ... b491d54709

Slightly over your budget bit I'm sure you could haggle it down as you are doing a "bulk buy"

I know they probably don't carry stock of all the brands so it might be an issue if they have to order in one specially for you to try. Alternatively you could look around for other Wilier stockists in your area to see if a test model is available.

arlowood

Jimbeam3678 wrote:

I would love to get same bike bike again but Orbea are changing the frame again and I can't stand them. I've tried looking for an 2013-4 frame in black and yellow but none to be seen.

Just a thought:-

Orbea Orca frameset on offer on the classifieds

viewtopic.php?f=40091&t=12980108

If it's the right size you could get your LBS to build it up to your spec.

Jimbeam3678

Cheers but its the wrong size :-(

Philby

Wilier GTR would be my choice - they look bloody gorgeous and you don't see too many around. A bit like comparing the looks of an Alfa Romeo (Wilier) to a Ford (Trek).

Edinburgh Bicycle Coop have some 2014 models at very cheap prices - http://www.edinburghbicycle.com/product ... egra-11-14

arlowood

Philby wrote:

Wilier GTR would be my choice - they look bloody gorgeous and you don't see too many around. A bit like comparing the looks of an Alfa Romeo (Wilier) to a Ford (Trek).

Edinburgh Bicycle Coop have some 2014 models at very cheap prices - http://www.edinburghbicycle.com/product ... egra-11-14

Good spot and great prices but unfortunately OP states that he is restricted to his LBS to redeem his insurance claim

sopworth

I've just recently built up a Cervelo R3, replacing my much loved Felt F3 after 4 years. The Cervelo is an absolute joy to ride, it really is. Slightly less aggressive than the F3 but I'm certainly no slower on it.
In all honesty, the Cervelo in grey is not the colour or frame style that catches my eye, but I know the bike is ideal for me so I ride it and utterly enjoy it.
Have you had a bike sizing session with a good fitter to establish frame size, stand & reach etc?
Whilst it's good to have a bike you like the look of, the fit is the most important aspect of buying a new bike surely?

Spudboy

sopworth wrote:

Whilst it's good to have a bike you like the look of, the fit is the most important aspect of buying a new bike surely?

Yes but the thing is that there is enough choice that you can have looks AND fit. It depends on what's important to you but personally I can't understand why anyone would buy a 'best' bike that doesn't make you drool as well as fit properly.

nickponty

If that's the choice, then go with the Cervelo without a doubt. The Treks are just, meh, and that's coming from a Trek owner.

But, like others have said, there are probably some better rides out there for £2k. Would your LBS order you something in that you wanted from one of their brands. You could pick up a Look 566 or a Storck Scenero, both with 105 for not much over your £2k budget? That said I'd probably take the Cervelo over those two as well...!

Jimbeam3678

Ok so in a long winded way I have managed to get the cash , so now I'm not limited to my one LBS.

So I guess this opens up a lot more questions...

My old Orbea was a 55Cm frame which when I had my bike said was too small and he had to put a 120 Mm stem on to stretch me out. I'm 6ft tall but with longish body my inside leg is only 33Inch ~

SO a couple of questions what size frame do I need 56 cm frame? Also was my Orbea Orca an aggressive race frame?

Very wary of ordering online incase it doesn't fit correctly .....

Philly8mt

Talking of the Look 566 (as someone did earlier), popped into Royles in Wilmslow today and they are flogging em off at £1999 with Ultegra in a rather fetching carbon/acid colour combo

Philby

I'm the same height as you although with 3cm longer legs. I test rode the Wilier GTR I mentioned in the post above in large and it fitted me perfectly. If you have cash you could go to a few LBSs and try a few bikes for size. The Leeds branch of Edinburgh Bicycle Coop isn't too far away from you, assuming you live in/near York, and they may have the 2014 Wilier above to test. They also stock Focus bikes who have excellent value bikes with generally better spec components than other brands at the same price points.

arlowood

Jimbeam3678 wrote:

Ok so in a long winded way I have managed to get the cash , so now I'm not limited to my one LBS.

So I guess this opens up a lot more questions...

My old Orbea was a 55Cm frame which when I had my bike said was too small and he had to put a 120 Mm stem on to stretch me out. I'm 6ft tall but with longish body my inside leg is only 33Inch ~

SO a couple of questions what size frame do I need 56 cm frame? Also was my Orbea Orca an aggressive race frame?

Very wary of ordering online incase it doesn't fit correctly .....

Cycle Surgery doing some heavy discounting on the 2014 Orbea Orca Bronze. If your 55cm was too small then the next size in their inventory is the 57cm and CS have those in stock at £999

http://www.cyclesurgery.com/orbea-orca- ... sting=true


According to their size guide the 57cm should accomodate heights from 5'11" to 6'3". I'm sure you will be fine with the 57cm. At that price I'd be prepared to take the gamble since you already know the Orca and how it rides.

Jimbeam3678

Yeah I have seen them typical the one you linked to is ideal with the exception of it having tiagra :-(

My hopes were raised again when I saw the Orbea Orca M50 2014 but that was only in 53 cm :-(

This bike buying is frustrating to say the least!!

arlowood

Jimbeam3678 wrote:

Yeah I have seen them typical the one you linked to is ideal with the exception of it having tiagra :-(

My hopes were raised again when I saw the Orbea Orca M50 2014 but that was only in 53 cm :-(

This bike buying is frustrating to say the least!!

With the £500 you're saving you could easily get a 105 5800 11-speed groupset and with the remainder plus the income from selling off your Tiagra components and the 10-speed wheelset you could get a nice set of 11-speed compatible wheels. I'm sure your LBS would be able to do the swap at a reasonable cost if you were not keen to do it yourself

MisterMuncher

The Mavics fitted should be 11 speed compatible anyway. By sheer dumb luck, all Mavics since about 2002 run 11-speed perfectly happily if you don't install the spacer they give you to run ten-speed.

Of course, I'd say keep them for now, flog off the Tiagra bits and get nice wheels for next summer.

Jimbeam3678

SO would this work ?

So anyone with more technical knowledge then I have would this work buy the below bike

http://www.cyclesurgery.com/orbea-or...7?listing=true

Then buy this Groupset
http://www.ribblecycles.co.uk/gsd/ro..._GS_SHR&bike=1

Get local bike shop to fit it , anything incompatible like BB Eng or Italian or anything else I should be on look out for ? How much would a bike cost roughly ?

In theory get my old bike with Ultegra for £1500 minus sale of Tiagra groupset.

arlowood

Jimbeam3678 wrote:

SO would this work ?

So anyone with more technical knowledge then I have would this work buy the below bike

http://www.cyclesurgery.com/orbea-or...7?listing=true

Then buy this Groupset
http://www.ribblecycles.co.uk/gsd/ro..._GS_SHR&bike=1

Get local bike shop to fit it , anything incompatible like BB Eng or Italian or anything else I should be on look out for ? How much would a bike cost roughly ?

In theory get my old bike with Ultegra for £1500 minus sale of Tiagra groupset.

Yes that should work no problems. Existing bike already has a Tiagra BB fitted. From a quick read around it would appear that the Orbea Orca Bronze frameset is specced with a BB30 pressfit bottom bracket shell - so my guess is that the Cycle Surgery offering will have adapters fitted to take the Tiagra Hollowtech II threaded bottom bracket and an Ultegra one will just slot in as replacement. If that is the case then I'm pretty sure it will be a standard BSA English threaded type you will need.

If in doubt I would just call Cycle Surgery and clarify exactly what components are on the bike as far as the BB is concerned.

By the looks of the maths then , yes, you will get your Orbea Orca with 11-speed Ultegra for less than £1500 - then you can subtract the sum you get from selling the Tiagra parts but don't forget to add the LBS assembly costs.

Also a good shout from MisterMuncher about the Mavic Aksiums - do as he says and run them through the winter then consider an upgrade in the spring.

Seems like a no-brainer to me :roll:

Jimbeam3678

A new idea and I need some help my head is hurting and to be frank I'm getting annoyed at trying to work out what bike etc

Finally about to bite the bullet on a Canyon Endurance CF9 however what frame size should I go for Their frame sizing software suggests a M which is a 56 frame however looking at the geometry of my old Orbea size 55 it looks like I need a Large from Canyon.

I've posted the the geometries the first is the Orbea Frame 55

Orbea Geometry


And then the Canyon they say a medium but am I right in thinking I should be looking at L based on my Orbeas Geometry ?

Canyon Geometry



What do you guys think? My head is seriously hurting

supermurph09

Give Canyon a call, I was on the cusp of Medium and Large according to their charts. Called them up, spoke with a guy there who said he was pretty much the same measurements as me, suggested the large. Perfect fit for me.

Calpol

Your Orbea is not massively racey in its geometry. It had a stack/reach ratio of 1.49. The medium Canyon Endurace is similar at 1.51. The Larger Orbea is 1.49 (lower number means racier). A 56 Spesh Tarmac would be 1.42 ratio illustrating that it is a far racier position than either of your shortlist.

I am a very similar height and proportion to you. My Wilier Izoard is 1.48 ratio but I have a 100mm stem to get it comfortable reach wise. I could probably ride the L Wilier instead of the XL but its still a mega comfy ride. I reckon the bigger canyon might be a little relaxed if you plan on optimising your ride position for aerodynamics. The smaller frame will show more seatpost and can be stretched out a bit with a longer stem if required.

I dont think either Canyon would be a disaster and the 57 Orca should be fine also.

arlowood

Jimbeam3678 wrote:

I feel like I have to explain myself a little more here , I did have an Orbea Orca 105 beautiful bike paired with Hope/H plus & sons wheels. Totally faultless , however I had an argument with a car and myself and the bike came off worst
The bike was a write off and I broke my leg in 3 bits, I'm still recovering from the 2 weeks away from being able to putting full weight on it and finally being able to get fit again.

I would love to get same bike bike again but Orbea are changing the frame again and I can't stand them. I've tried looking for an 2013-4 frame in black and yellow but none to be seen.

So your love affair with the Orbea was not really that committed :shock:

No sooner do we find you the Spanish Lady of your dreams and she's jilted for an upstart German hussy

Your money - your choice

FWIW I'd opt for the Large in the Canyon - some TT and wheelbase as the Orbea so geometry should be spot on I reckon