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Tubeless-effect on speed for road riding?

SemantikSemantik Posts: 537
edited August 2014 in MTB general
Just got myself some Hope Hoops with Arch Ex rims and very nice they are too.
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Heard about the advantages of tubeless for off-road riding- able to run at lower pressures, fewer punctures etc.etc.

BUT, being conscious that a max pressure of 40psi is recommended, and wanting occasionally to stray onto tarmac, I am left wondering whether a tubed setup would actually be faster on the road given that you could safely raise pressure to 60psi.
Will the tubeless setup still be faster or does the tubed tyre roll faster?
Not seen any info about this.

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  • cooldadcooldad Posts: 32,601
    Probably because road speed on a mountain bike is kind of irrelevant.
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  • SemantikSemantik Posts: 537
    cooldad wrote:
    Probably because road speed on a mountain bike is kind of irrelevant.

    Yeah, I've heard a few fat bloke MTB riders say that.
  • warpcowwarpcow Posts: 1,448
    Tubeless should be superior, but at different pressures, no idea. I doubt it'll actaully make enough of a real world difference for you to worry about, but worrying about this stuff is irrational anyway.
  • paul.skibumpaul.skibum Posts: 4,068
    Well presumably you have answered your own question?

    If you need to run higher pressures as you might on prolonged road miles then yes tubeless is not ideal. But are you planning on doing a lot of road miles purely on road? with occassional off road use or road to off road frequently?

    If I was going to be using a bike for off road and commuter duties on road I would have 2 sets of wheels, two tyre set ups and all the other stuff. Reasoning - off road tyres are eye wateringly pricey and I like soft compounds which I dont want to waste on tarmac so I'd keep my good tyres, good rims, tubeless set up and maybe my XT/one up cassette for off road use and have a cheaper wheelset with tubed road specific tyres and a cheaper cassette for the commuter stuff.

    If I was rolling from road to off road frequently then its irrelevant as I would want the setup optimised for off road.
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  • cooldadcooldad Posts: 32,601
    Semantik wrote:
    cooldad wrote:
    Probably because road speed on a mountain bike is kind of irrelevant.

    Yeah, I've heard a few fat bloke MTB riders say that.

    Well done. Probably because us fat bloke MTB riders ride off road.

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  • lostboysaintlostboysaint Posts: 4,252
    Semantik wrote:
    cooldad wrote:
    Probably because road speed on a mountain bike is kind of irrelevant.

    Yeah, I've heard a few fat bloke MTB riders say that.

    You've got good hearing then, or they manage to get the words out quickly as they disappear past you on the downhills ;)
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  • SemantikSemantik Posts: 537
    Well presumably you have answered your own question?

    If you need to run higher pressures as you might on prolonged road miles then yes tubeless is not ideal. But are you planning on doing a lot of road miles purely on road? with occassional off road use or road to off road frequently?

    If I was going to be using a bike for off road and commuter duties on road I would have 2 sets of wheels, two tyre set ups and all the other stuff. Reasoning - off road tyres are eye wateringly pricey and I like soft compounds which I dont want to waste on tarmac so I'd keep my good tyres, good rims, tubeless set up and maybe my XT/one up cassette for off road use and have a cheaper wheelset with tubed road specific tyres and a cheaper cassette for the commuter stuff.

    If I was rolling from road to off road frequently then its irrelevant as I would want the setup optimised for off road.

    Yeah,it's commuting I was thinking of- when ideally I'd like to run higher pressures.
    New tyres and rotors for the spare non-tubeless wheels ordered a few days ago with this in mind.
  • lostboysaintlostboysaint Posts: 4,252
    So what you're saying is that you're fat enough that 40 psi isn't hard enough in an MTB tyre on the road!
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  • njee20njee20 Posts: 9,613
    For the price of spare wheels with rotors, cassettes etc I'd just buy a cheap road bike!
  • SemantikSemantik Posts: 537
    So what you're saying is that you're fat enough that 40 psi isn't hard enough in an MTB tyre on the road!

    Stop bellyaching!
    I acknowledge your advantage on the downhills.
    Just get outta my way on the climbs
  • SemantikSemantik Posts: 537
    njee20 wrote:
    For the price of spare wheels with rotors, cassettes etc I'd just buy a cheap road bike!

    Fair point ,but already had the spare wheels.

    Tyres were £9.99 each (when I ordered) http://www.planetx.co.uk/i/q/TYVTRNDP/v ... lding-tyre
    Rotors were £10 each from Halfords with their 20% off last week +10% BC discount.

    Got a few spare cassettes already.
  • SemantikSemantik Posts: 537
    The Rookie wrote:
    Those will probably be a pain trying to run tubeless, I'd stick a tube in.

    Those are going to be for the commuting wheels, with tubes in 'em.
    Got some Nobby Nics for the new tubeless wheels.
  • RockmonkeySCRockmonkeySC Posts: 15,247
    Mountain bikes are censored on road no matter what tyre/tube set up you use. Nobby Nics are just censored for anything.
  • njee20njee20 Posts: 9,613
    I took my MTB on a group road ride a few weeks ago. It did fine, position wasn't great, but I just bent my elbows a bit more. Didn't faff with pumping up tyres or anything, just rode 2.25" Rons at 30psi, happily did 20mph average, and the extra grip came in handy when I rode over one of the guy's bikes, after he threw himself over the bars and used his face to stop.

    So sometimes they're not censored . Not entirely sure I'd have held it together on a road bike!
  • RockmonkeySCRockmonkeySC Posts: 15,247
    I certainly wouldn't want to try my 17 mile commute on my mountain bike, I think it might take a bit too long.
  • njee20njee20 Posts: 9,613
    Yes I've got a slight advantage in that respect - whilst it feels horrible I'm generally only 1-2mph slower at most on the MTB, and actually several road climbs I've done quickest on my mountain bike.
  • SemantikSemantik Posts: 537
    Mountain bikes are censored on road no matter what tyre/tube set up you use. Nobby Nics are just censored for anything.

    Not bought them yet. Any other recommendations?
  • RockmonkeySCRockmonkeySC Posts: 15,247
    Schwalbe City Jets.
  • A road bike... for, yunno, riding on the road.
  • paul.skibumpaul.skibum Posts: 4,068
    Schwalbe City Jets.

    I have a bit of a rep for not reading the question but the nobby nics are for his tubeless off road set up - he's got some other tyres for on road following my suggested use of different wheels for commuting. Keep up. Come on now.
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  • SemantikSemantik Posts: 537
    Schwalbe City Jets.

    I have a bit of a rep for not reading the question but the nobby nics are for his tubeless off road set up - he's got some other tyres for on road following my suggested use of different wheels for commuting. Keep up. Come on now.

    Didn't want to point this out. Thought I was in enough trouble already.
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