Ksyrium Elite s vs DT Swiss R23

poacher13
poacher13 Posts: 70
edited August 2014 in Road buying advice
Hey all you that give advise so well.
In a bit of a dilemma and i'm sure you have all started to get a bit tired of all the wheel topics but please humour me!
Looking to buy a Rose CSL2000 and cant decide between the DT Swiss for €34 extra or the Ksyrium Elite S WTS for €145 extra. With the DT's i would be putting on Schwalbe Ultremo ZX if that helps. I see both the Ksyrium's and the DT's weigh the same without tyres so do the Ksyriums warrent spending the extra? Or would i be better off and get the Cosmic Elite S WTS for no extra charge? Cant find many opinions on the DT or the Cosmic's though. Plenty on the Ksyrium's but not sure if i would notice the difference for the extra cost over the DT's. I'm not the fastest rider out there and only weigh 68kg but i do like to push hard and enjoy mountains if the helps the decision making.
Thank you all so much for any enlightenment you could offer me.


http://www.rosebikes.com/bike/rose-xeon-csl-2000-2014/aid:674562

Comments

  • chadders81
    chadders81 Posts: 744
    The Mavics have a steel freehub body which means that they don't get chewed up. Not a problem for those of you who finesse your way through the gears. I'm a bit stampy off the lights so tend to go for steel every time. At 68kg, probably not an issue for you.

    Not sure what spokes the DT Swiss use and how easy they are to source replacements. That can be a problem with the Mavics although Ugo Santalucia of this very parish has written on his website about the ease of swapping Mavic spokes for normal spokes with no issues other than cosmetics.

    If I were you, I'd got with whatever you think looks better. That will make you happy and happiness = an extra 10 watts.
  • Grill
    Grill Posts: 5,610
    DT use DT aerolite and aero comp spokes (shocker!). Pretty much all their wheels are super easy to source spares and much cheaper than Mavic to boot.
    English Cycles V3 | Cervelo P5 | Cervelo T4 | Trek Domane Koppenberg
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,312
    Grill wrote:
    DT use DT aerolite and aero comp spokes (shocker!). Pretty much all their wheels are super easy to source spares and much cheaper than Mavic to boot.

    DT also does thing like the Tricon, that use double threaded spokes and require a bizarre set of tools proprietary to DT and costing 100 quid.
    Personally I would never buy a set of Dt Swiss wheels... and I do talk by personal experience. The Elite S with all their drawbacks are a good and solid set of wheels with a two years warranty
    left the forum March 2023
  • tom3
    tom3 Posts: 287
    The Elite S with all their drawbacks are a good and solid set of wheels with a two years warranty[/quote]


    Hi Ugo, genuinely interested to hear your thoughts on what the drawbacks of the elite s are? thanks
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,312
    ugo.santalucia wrote:
    Hi Ugo, genuinely interested to hear your thoughts on what the drawbacks of the elite s are? thanks

    1) Spare rims are almost impossible to find and priced to put off any punter. That combined with a more than zero chance of the rim cracking, is a rather annoying drawback.
    Of course you have a two year warranty, but even within the warranty, you might end up spending a few weeks without wheels (they never break in winter)

    2) A large number of shops refuse to repair a broken spoke and prefer to go the warranty route, which again ends up being a few weeks without wheels. You can of course repiar it yourself, but you need tools, a bit of practice and you need to find the spokes, which are getting a bit more common, but still not mainstream... plus you have to navigate in the infinite range of minor changes that go on at Mavic year on year... the 2011 spoke might not fit the 2012 rim and so on...
    left the forum March 2023
  • tom3
    tom3 Posts: 287
    thanks Ugo
  • poacher13
    poacher13 Posts: 70
    Thinking towards the DT now. Reading through the High Flyers bike test in this months Cycling Plus and see they like the DT Swiss on the KTM and really like them, also they are cheaper too!
    Thanks everyone.
  • Bar Shaker
    Bar Shaker Posts: 2,313
    Elites are the benchmark in this sector and are an absolutely stunning climbing wheel.

    They would be my first choice for such a small financial difference.
    Boardman Elite SLR 9.2S
    Boardman FS Pro
  • robbo2011
    robbo2011 Posts: 1,017
    You've been advised to steer clear of the DT Swiss wheels and buy the Mavics and yet still are veering towards the DT Swiss. Why bother asking :?:
  • poacher13
    poacher13 Posts: 70
    Because i haven't been advised to steer clear of DT thats why. It was just a personal opinon that was posted and negative comments have been made about both brands of wheel so really it leaves me stuck between a rock and a hard place so i value the opinions of other testers in the magazine. Such a bad thing is it :?:
    I want to hear peoples opinions, that why i asked. So whats yours Robbo2011?
  • robbo2011
    robbo2011 Posts: 1,017
    ugo.santalucia wrote:
    Personally I would never buy a set of Dt Swiss wheels... and I do talk by personal experience. The Elite S with all their drawbacks are a good and solid set of wheels with a two years warranty

    OP: I have no experience of either so it would not be right for me to advise, but Ugo knows a lot about wheels and has personal experience with both, so I'd go with what Ugo recommends here.
  • dowtcha
    dowtcha Posts: 442
    The elites normally sell for around 500 euro. You are getting them on a upgrade for 145. Easy call

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