Contador would have won by 3mins

frenchfighter

You all know I said many times Contador would have smoked Nibali and I still hold to that. Interesting seeing this quote from Tinkoff.

"Now cycling is all about numbers and big data. Watts per kilogramme and stuff. We know Rafal's numbers, we know Nibali's numbers more or less because they raced together and we know Alberto's numbers. With the numbers that we have, we believe Alberto would have been three minutes ahead. Of course it's all virtual and so the debate goes nowhere, but we believe Alberto would have won and won quite easily."

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/exclusi ... eter-sagan

mfin

Crumbs, you were right, he would have won!! Close the thread quick

(Wasn't ahead when he cocked up and fell off though was he?)

kingstonian

They're right, it is all virtual and the debate goes nowhere.

tailwindhome

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Pross

Contador's biggest fan agrees with Contador's boss that Contador would have won :shock:

Everyone knows Thomas would have smoked everyone if he hadn't had to babysit Froome and Porte. I know this therefore it is true.

mfin

This is a nice quote from a thread, FF defending Contador back in 2009, using Lance to support the argument (not knowing enough to be suspicious of Lance let alone Contador)...

frenchfighter wrote:

LA was the best 3 week racer of his day, often making 'unbelievable' time on mountains, yet he was also one of the top performers in the time trial. In fact, if you look back in history, nearly all the winners of the Tours made their time in the mountains AND the time trials. Again, my point about subjective tarnishing.

Contador's phenomenal ability is the same as it was for LA and probably most of the other Tour greats, which is the ability to produce significant power while remaining under your lactate threshold (point at which you go anaerobic). This ability enables performance in climbing and time trialling specifically.

(it's not relevant AT ALL to the Tinkoff comments but Tinkoff's comments aren't relevant to anything either )

deejay

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I thought you had to be "IN IT to Win It"

Very simple to grasp if you don't fall off.

Pokerface

But what about Froome's numbers? Surely he would have won if he hadn't fallen down several times?

Well - there's always next year to sort it all out....

type:epyt

I read that article on CN and started to wonder if Oleg/FF are the same person. Maybe we should ask Tinkov to make us a sign and see if he uses the same crisp box as FF. Better than a dna test I reckon.

Also made me wonder if we should have a parody 'Ogle Tinkov' twitter account. Where every post would have to actually have a sense of reality.

andyp

I'm confused, I thought Contador raced on instinct and feel, not watts per kilogram like those awful Sky robots?

type:epyt

andyp wrote:

I'm confused, I thought Contador raced on instinct and veal, not watts per kilogram like those awful Sky robots?

FTFY

No_Ta_Doctor

If this was brailsford saying Froome would have won would you not have accused him of showing massive disrespect to Nibali?

mfin

No tA Doctor wrote:

If this was brailsford saying Froome would have won would you not have accused him of showing massive disrespect to Nibali?

Why is that even a question, of course he would.

mroli

We know Rafal's numbers, we know Nibali's numbers more or less because they raced together and we know Alberto's numbers

This is the whole point though. They don't know Nibs' numbers because he was never in a position where he had to race someone who was going to beat him. He didn't have to bring his "A" game so never brought his proper nos - certainly not when riding alongside Majka.

Regardless of the Contador/Froome crashes, it was an impressive destruction of the opposition by Nibali

rob churchill

No tA Doctor wrote:

If this was brailsford saying Froome would have won would you not have accused him of showing massive disrespect to Nibali?

+1 to that, saying to the winner that he only won because your man was injured and your man "would have beaten him quite easily" is pretty classless, but I suppose that's what we'd expect from Tinkoff.

Besides, Tinkoff may think he knows Nibbles' numbers but there is always the faint possibility that if he'd been pushed harder, he'd have ridden faster, no?

ContrelaMontre

DON'T FEED THE TROLL

RichN95.

rob churchill wrote:

Besides, Tinkoff may think he knows Nibbles' numbers but there is always the faint possibility that if he'd been pushed harder, he'd have ridden faster, no?

He's also falling into the trap that the amateur data analysts fall into of thinking that climbs are all done at full pace as though it was a time trial.

Avenger197396

If my sister had balls she'd be my brother.

Frenchie is like that annoying bloke at work who is tolerated but everyone apologises for behind his back. He's starting to move beyond parody to being just a bit sad.

I'll stand by now whilst he tells me how he is in fact a successful Oxbridge educated billionaire with many many friends.

Jez mon

mfin wrote:

No tA Doctor wrote:

If this was brailsford saying Froome would have won would you not have accused him of showing massive disrespect to Nibali?

Why is that even a question, of course he would.

Nah he'd say that it was showing massive disrespect to Contador, who was the rightful (imaginary) winner.