Orange Five AM

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  • ilovedirt
    ilovedirt Posts: 5,798
    Perhaps it's down to pivot placement, my alpine got a lot of pedal feedback.

    The best bike I owned for that was my old reign x - no pedal feedback at all, climbed really well. The Mega isn't far off though, and it's lighter.
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  • ilovedirt
    ilovedirt Posts: 5,798
    I love the colour by the way - I always wanted one in that colour, kermit green, or orange!
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  • IDave
    IDave Posts: 223
    RockmonkeySC wrote:
    The Five, Mega and Covert are all single pivot.

    Are you sure about that?

    Here's the Covert frame with the pivot points conveniently highlighted in blue.

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  • Dick Scruttock
    Dick Scruttock Posts: 2,533
    IDave wrote:
    RockmonkeySC wrote:
    The Five, Mega and Covert are all single pivot.

    Are you sure about that?

    Here's the Covert frame with the pivot points conveniently highlighted in blue.

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    :roll: Look at the way it works.
  • ilovedirt
    ilovedirt Posts: 5,798
    IDave wrote:
    RockmonkeySC wrote:
    The Five, Mega and Covert are all single pivot.

    Are you sure about that?

    Here's the Covert frame with the pivot points conveniently highlighted in blue.

    Bikes_Covert275_Pic4.jpg
    How many points does the rear wheel pivot around? I think you will find that the answer is one ;)
    Single pivot with a fancy linkage to tune the leverage ratio. Same on my Mega - link driven single pivot.
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  • ej2320
    ej2320 Posts: 1,543
    Has the traits of a single pivot too, my Covert sinks far into it travel with the shock open and has a little pedal bob in climb
  • paul.skibum
    paul.skibum Posts: 4,068
    ej2320 wrote:
    Has the traits of a single pivot too, my Covert sinks far into it travel with the shock open and has a little pedal bob in climb

    Bobs in climb on the CTD? Really? My CTD in climb is basically locked out - no movement at all in the rear and just a notching bonking from the fork.
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  • rockmonkeysc
    rockmonkeysc Posts: 14,774
    ilovedirt wrote:
    Perhaps it's down to pivot placement, my alpine got a lot of pedal feedback.

    The best bike I owned for that was my old reign x - no pedal feedback at all, climbed really well. The Mega isn't far off though, and it's lighter.

    I would say the Reign X is the worst bike I have owned. Weighed a ton, had no small bump sensitivity at all and kept snapping linkages, usually when climbing.
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  • CitizenLee
    CitizenLee Posts: 2,227
    So, getting back to AJ's Five...
    Current:
    NukeProof Mega FR 2012
    Cube NuRoad 2018
    Previous:
    2015 Genesis CdF 10, 2014 Cube Hyde Race, 2012 NS Traffic, 2007 Specialized SX Trail, 2005 Specialized Demo 8
  • *AJ*
    *AJ* Posts: 1,080
    LOL! I was kind of expecting this kind of debate to be fair! Everyone loves a good Orange debate!

    I personally prefer the Five to my Mega, but the Mega was a very very good bike. The only reason I got rid of it was because it was too small for me. It was a 17” frame, which is about what I like to ride, but on the 2012 Mega the top tubes were very short. They had a long wheelbase, but the length was all behind the rider in the chain stays, which made the bike hard to pop onto the back wheel.

    I'm 6 foot 1(ish) but only have 31” legs, so my length is all in my body which didn’t work too well with a short top tube and steep seat angle. I always felt like I was sitting very far forward on the bike rather than comfortably in the natural position (even with a lay back seat post).

    I do believe that the newer Mega (TR) has a longer top tube and shorter chainstays with a more relaxed seat angle so im pretty sure they ironed out everything I didn’t like about mine (which may explain why some of you can’t understand why I swapped).
    I had every intention of replacing it with a newer mega, but I didn’t want the monarch shock again.
    However, a friend of mine came out on his Five the other week and I had a quick blast. I instantly felt much more at home on the bike and it just fitted right (mainly down to the longer top tube and shorter stays). So I searched for one and came across this on pinkbike. With it being a maxle/tapered headtube model I jumped at it as it meant I didn’t have to buy a load of new parts.

    I did however spend similar money on a 2nd hand Five frame as I would have buying a new Mega (well nearly).

    The two bikes are very different to ride. Both single pivot, but the Mega is linkage driven and is probably more plush because of this. I did feel more through the rear wheel on the Orange than I did on the Mega, but I like that! I also didn’t think that the Five climbed any worse that the Mega at all. It wasn’t any better, but it was certainly no worse.
    I do love the idea of simple bearing changes and only one pivot to worry about though.

    Horses for courses, there is no BETTER bike, it’s down to personal preference. I much prefer my Five, but I will never slate the Mega. It’s a very capable bike.
  • ej2320
    ej2320 Posts: 1,543
    paul.skibum wrote:
    ej2320 wrote:
    Has the traits of a single pivot too, my Covert sinks far into it travel with the shock open and has a little pedal bob in climb

    Bobs in climb on the CTD? Really? My CTD in climb is basically locked out - no movement at all in the rear and just a notching bonking from the fork.

    Yeah a small amount with the CTD in climb.. If it's flat and I'm turning the cranks to maintain speed not really but on a climb more so, not performance effecting but it does a bit

    Sorry to get distracted, the one thing I like about Fives are the colours and AJs is no exception, loud and proud!
  • *AJ*
    *AJ* Posts: 1,080
    New forks fitted although I need to take them off and reduce the travel from 170mm to 150mm

    Also fitted some new bars which match the frame nicely!

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  • *AJ*
    *AJ* Posts: 1,080
    Forks serviced and lowered to 150mm pretty simple on these Marzocchi's and obviously suits the Five much better....

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    Took it for a blast at the local trail centre today with a mate of mine! Needless to say you couldn't miss us today!

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  • ilovedirt
    ilovedirt Posts: 5,798
    Lovely looking bike.
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  • ej2320
    ej2320 Posts: 1,543
    55s, nice!
  • *AJ*
    *AJ* Posts: 1,080
    55's on my Five. :lol:
  • cubedean
    cubedean Posts: 670
    Love the 5! I spy Liam' van....
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  • Thewaylander
    Thewaylander Posts: 8,593
    How are the marzzochi compared to say pikes?
  • cubedean
    cubedean Posts: 670
    Thewaylander wrote:
    How are the marzzochi compared to say pikes?

    Something i would like to know as I'm in the market for a decent 160mm fork (I know these are 170mm).
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  • rockmonkeysc
    rockmonkeysc Posts: 14,774
    For a Five thats a relatively subtle colour. Theres one I often see which has a neon yellow front triangle, pink swing arm and orange rims, very offensive to look at. Im thinking of getting my Mega re painted in a similar colour to your Five.
    cubedean wrote:
    Thewaylander wrote:
    How are the marzzochi compared to say pikes?

    Something i would like to know as I'm in the market for a decent 160mm fork (I know these are 170mm).

    55 rc3 evos are better damped than Pikes but a lot heavier (around a lb). The new 350ncr is better damped than a top end 55 and similar weight to a Pike.
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  • *AJ*
    *AJ* Posts: 1,080
    cubedean wrote:
    Thewaylander wrote:
    How are the marzzochi compared to say pikes?

    Something i would like to know as I'm in the market for a decent 160mm fork (I know these are 170mm).

    I'm impressed with the 55's! As said above they aren't as light as the Pike, but they are a very sturdy fork and also, being Marzocchi they are very simple to service and maintain.

    I need to have a tinker with mine to get them perfect because the rebound adjustment isn't doing anything (i think there must be some air in the rebound cartridge from when I changed the oil) and it was before i touched them.

    Mine are set at 150mm BTW (very easy to do with a spacer)
  • christurbo
    christurbo Posts: 432
    Nice build bud - I went for the Kashima Fox 36 Fit Floats reduced to 150mm.

    Question: why didn't you use the internal routing on the rear swing arms?
  • *AJ*
    *AJ* Posts: 1,080
    christurbo wrote:
    Nice build bud - I went for the Kashima Fox 36 Fit Floats reduced to 150mm.

    Question: why didn't you use the internal routing on the rear swing arms?

    Good question,

    Mainly because when i first built it I just wanted it up and running and couldnt be arsed faffing about bleeding the rear brake.

    Secondly, because for some reason my frame has cable guides on the swing arm, someone must have added them at some point, so I thought id try it that way at first.
  • cubedean
    cubedean Posts: 670
    *AJ* wrote:
    cubedean wrote:
    Thewaylander wrote:
    How are the marzzochi compared to say pikes?

    Something i would like to know as I'm in the market for a decent 160mm fork (I know these are 170mm).

    I'm impressed with the 55's! As said above they aren't as light as the Pike, but they are a very sturdy fork and also, being Marzocchi they are very simple to service and maintain.

    I need to have a tinker with mine to get them perfect because the rebound adjustment isn't doing anything (i think there must be some air in the rebound cartridge from when I changed the oil) and it was before i touched them.

    Mine are set at 150mm BTW (very easy to do with a spacer)

    I've just bought a pair of 2011 55s for my alpine. I can't wait to get it built up.
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