The Pope Excommunicated

blazing_saddles
blazing_saddles Posts: 22,725
edited July 2014 in Pro race
When is retirement not retirement?
http://www.uci.ch/Modules/BUILTIN/getOb ... Y&LangId=1
"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.

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  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    Colour me surprised!
    Correlation is not causation.
  • Turfle
    Turfle Posts: 3,762
    Not Denis, NO!!!!!
  • Art Vandelay
    Art Vandelay Posts: 1,982
    edited July 2014
    Slightly suspect handling of this.

    Back in May 2013 when his retirement was announced a UCI spokesperson seemed to deny that there was any investigation into Menchov: “Currently there is no disciplinary procedure open on the basis of the biological passport." (UCI Communications Manager Devra Pitt Gétaz)

    http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/14625 ... z37GNxLs46

    Also, no official press release now from the UCI either.
  • argyllflyer
    argyllflyer Posts: 893
    Didn't the Secret Pro hint at this just before Menchov exited stage left?
  • above_the_cows
    above_the_cows Posts: 11,406
    Turfle wrote:
    Not Denis, NO!!!!!

    I know, a real shock isn't it? Next we'll find out that he was really an excellent uphill bike handler.
    Correlation is not causation.
  • Art Vandelay
    Art Vandelay Posts: 1,982
    Yes - he alluded to a forthcoming passport case of a GC winner.
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,725
    Analytical findings from the 2009 and 2010 Tour.
    Ban starts 3 years later, when he's in cycling's long dole queue.
    Gotta love the "effectiveness" of this BP lark.
    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • Art Vandelay
    Art Vandelay Posts: 1,982
    Spanish Rabobank rider Barredo also busted. Bit of bad luck Rabo had with their Spanish riders.
  • Pokerface
    Pokerface Posts: 7,960
    Was there some sort of agreement between him and UCI? Retire quietly and they won't publicise the ban?
  • r0bh
    r0bh Posts: 2,436
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    Analytical findings from the 2009 and 2010 Tour.
    Ban starts 3 years later, when he's in cycling's long dole queue.
    Gotta love the "effectiveness" of this BP lark.

    Would you prefer they didn't get popped at all? All helps change the mentality of the peloton if they see fewer and fewer riders get away with doping, even if it takes a while to catch them.
  • Pokerface
    Pokerface Posts: 7,960
    And I guess Jurgen Van Den Broeck finally ends up with a Tour de France podium slot after the ban of Menchov and Contador from the 2010 Tour results.
  • mm1
    mm1 Posts: 1,063
    By definition BP is a longitudinal anlysis, then there's time for the rider to put forward evidence in their defence (where JTL is now), so not be as quick as a substance positive. Preferable for process to run rather than trial by media whatever the Twaliban may want (is there any other sport where an "a" sample positive comes out before the "b" is tested?)

    Sends the message that Cookson spelt out in the cycling podcast...we will get you in the end.
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,725
    r0bh wrote:
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    Analytical findings from the 2009 and 2010 Tour.
    Ban starts 3 years later, when he's in cycling's long dole queue.
    Gotta love the "effectiveness" of this BP lark.

    Would you prefer they didn't get popped at all? All helps change the mentality of the peloton if they see fewer and fewer riders get away with doping, even if it takes a while to catch them.

    To get hit with a ban after he has retired and that it is kept quiet?
    To keep his 2009 Giro title, but get done for his BP levels a month later?

    I can't see this sanction will set the peloton trembling. 4 years it took.
    Therein lies the rub.
    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    I remember the first I heard of Menchov being nabbed by the passport was in the Real Peloton podcast - Matt Rendell said it. Also named someone else I can't remember, but it was a good long time ago.

    Edit - It was Rujano.
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • hammerite
    hammerite Posts: 3,408
    Interesting list that. What's the determining factor between a 2yr, 4yr and 8yr ban?
  • Art Vandelay
    Art Vandelay Posts: 1,982
    UCI statement:
    http://www.uci.ch/Modules/ENews/ENewsDe ... LangId%3D2

    So far it's just Menchov's Tour results from 2009, 2010 and 2012 that have been stripped. Not sure of the BP timeline so I wonder whether we'll see other results stripped too?

    Pokerface wrote:
    And I guess Jurgen Van Den Broeck finally ends up with a Tour de France podium slot after the ban of Menchov and Contador from the 2010 Tour results.


    I think it's down to the race organiser if they divvy out the positions (Contador/Schleck) or just nullify the riders results (Armstrong).

    The Giro 2009 results are potentially looking great now:
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  • Yellow Peril
    Yellow Peril Posts: 4,466
    Hopefully it will urge the research of balance in relation to performance enhancing drugs
    @JaunePeril

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  • DeVlaeminck
    DeVlaeminck Posts: 9,104
    Although I don't really like changing the results years on - not the DQ of a doper but promoting riders who were down the GC - I suppose by rights if you were beaten by dopers you do deserve that promotion.
    [Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]
  • Yellow Peril
    Yellow Peril Posts: 4,466
    So now bottle ends up on the podium :roll:
    @JaunePeril

    Winner of the Bike Radar Pro Race Wiggins Hour Prediction Competition
  • takethehighroad
    takethehighroad Posts: 6,821
    Looking down that list, does anyone know if Denis Galimzyanov is likely to make a comeback?

    He was a decent rider before he got busted (maybe for obvious reasons...)
  • thegibdog
    thegibdog Posts: 2,106
    TakeTheHighRoad wrote:
    Looking down that list, does anyone know if Denis Galimzyanov is likely to make a comeback?
    You mean that isn't the Denis everyone was talking about?? :)

    I'm assuming that Menchov's blood values were considered normal at times other than those 3 TdFs, so he will keep his other results. Seems strange though, why not just DQ him from the first abnormal finding onwards a la Armstrong?
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  • Art Vandelay
    Art Vandelay Posts: 1,982
    This is a nice piece on the Pope:

    (In Dutch)
    http://m.ad.nl/ad/m/nl/5598/Sportcolumn ... taan.dhtml
  • timoid.
    timoid. Posts: 3,133
    Art Vandelay wrote:
    Spanish Rabobank rider Barredo also busted. Bit of bad luck Rabo had with their Spanish riders.

    Both Spaniards are ONCE/Liberty alumni.

    I salute Contador's fortitude staying clean on that team. :twisted:
    It's a little like wrestling a gorilla. You don't quit when you're tired. You quit when the gorilla is tired.

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