Outers? If so how long?

Lewis A

Hi all, I've ordered a shimano saint shifter from tweeks cycles, and was wondering, does it come with outer cables, ferrules, etc? In the q&a for the item they say it does (http://www.tweekscycles.com/components/mtb-gear-shifters/shimano-saint-m820-10-speed-shifter-rear), but on most of they're other items they say that they only come with inners...

If I need to buy outers, what length do I need to buy for 1*10 full outer? My bike is a cube hardtail if that helps.

njee20

It will come with some pre-cut outers for a 'standard' downtube cable routing, ie not enough.

Get a tape measure out, the length you need is entirely dependant on the frame, size, routing, bar width, stem length etc etc.

Lewis A

I would be willing to miss on full outers, would be nice but I suppose it is summer. Will check lengths.

rockmonkeysc

Very unusual for shifters to come with outers. Whether you can set it up with a full length outer will depend on the cable guides on your frame.

The Rookie

Lewis A wrote:

I would be willing to miss on full outers, would be nice but I suppose it is summer. Will check lengths.

Full length outers give more shifting issues than short ones......also how will you route the full length outers is something you'd need to decide on, will you drill the stops out, cable tie or what?

benpinnick

It should come with 1700mm of continous outer and 6 ferrules + an end cap. Chop as you see fit.

Lewis A

I just checked my frame, it won't take full outers. Oh well, I'm tired of bodging things, and don't full outers detract from shifting performance too?

The Rookie

Lewis A wrote:

don't full outers detract from shifting performance too?

The Rookie wrote:

Full length outers give more shifting issues than short ones

paul.skibum

benpinnick wrote:

It should come with 1700mm of continous outer and 6 ferrules + an end cap. Chop as you see fit.

Really? All the shifters I have ever bought (not that many to be fair) have come with a new cable but no outer.

njee20

Pukka Shimano boxed stock come with pre-cut outers, a loop for each shifter to head tube guide, plus a loop for the chainstay to rear mech, and appropriate ferrules. Most bikes need more anyway.

Lewis A

My shifter just arrived, continous outer, ferrules etc. I reckon 1.7m sounds about right.

The Rookie

I would guess Saint/Zee are more likely to come with full length than the XC biased stuff Njee is likely to buy......

Chunkers1980

And pretty sure you'd be paying top whack for that 'service' grey stock's where it's at. Any self-respecting home mechanic should have a stock of inner and outer anyways ;-)

njee20

The Rookie wrote:

I would guess Saint/Zee are more likely to come with full length than the XC biased stuff Njee is likely to buy......

That's interesting actually, it was based on working in the LBS for far too many years, rather than my own buying habits. Makes sense they do come with one long bit of outer, it was rather outdated they came with outers that barely suited any frames!

My XX1 shifter still came with cut pieces I'm sure, I of course swapped to lightweight outer :-)

Lewis A

Chunkers1980 wrote:

And pretty sure you'd be paying top whack for that 'service' grey stock's where it's at. Any self-respecting home mechanic should have a stock of inner and outer anyways ;-)

My saint shifters were only £37, £4 more than a xt shifter on crc...

Everything works great, however I've only had a little spin up and down the road, as my freehub appears to have failed.

benpinnick

The Rookie wrote:

I would guess Saint/Zee are more likely to come with full length than the XC biased stuff Njee is likely to buy......

I think Shimano went full length about 2 years ago.

njee20

Which explains why I've not seen that as I've not worked in the LBS for about 5 years!