9 speed to 10 speed

Nicnicol

Hello
I am new to this forum and before asking I have looked to she if someone has asked and I cant see if they have sooo.

I have a Wilier montegrappa sora 2013 and have done a fair few miles on it. This weekend I did 230 mile cycle from work to home then back to work. when I got half way home the chain started to show play and the gear changing was getting really sloppy so thought that the drive chain is getting worn.

Took it to my LBS and they said the chain is 75% worn and that you need a new cassette plus soon looking at new chainset. The chain set on it at the moment is FSA Vero and I don't really like it so he said we can put Shimano Sora 9 speed chainset on it so it will have the Hollow Tech BB and not the square taper BB. When I looked at the price of it all
Cassette £29 ,Chain £20, BB £20, Sora Chainset £79.99, it made look around and think what's the point spending all that when for another £200 I can got full Shimano 105 10 speed then sell my old groupset to get some back.

so after all that. am I making the right choice and the second with the 10 speed 105 cassette fit on the Shimano 2200 32h

Hope someone can help me

lancew

I'm looking to swap up to a 105 setup (I want the new 11 speed though) on my Specialized Sport (full Sora 9 speed).

I think you might have an issue with your rear wheel needing to be swapped too as you'll need a 10 speed freehub. Check your wheel.

Nicnicol

I was looking at the 11 Speed but could not find a release date and my bike sort of needs it soonish. so 10 speed it is.
Why do you have to make my day worse lol. I have been looking all day for prices to get the cheapest around and knocking Evans cycles on their price match, so now I need new wheels. least my old ones are in good condition to get a little back from.

mattsccm

9 speed to 10 speed won't need a new hub.8 to 10 are the same ( some weird 10 speed specific are different)
You may need a 1mm spacer to go behind the cassette and many cassettes don't come with that.
I am not saying that 10 speed is really any better but if it makes sense do it. You will gain the knowledge that the groupset is more modern which can be important and its likely to be more refined. !05 is of course up spec from Sora so you are doing that as well.

arlowood

Your LBS is having a laugh at these quoted prices unless they are including fitting and even then they are taking the proverbial. eg a compact Sora 9 speed chainset is only £45 at Ribble:-

http://www.ribblecycles.co.uk/sp/road-t ... htlXPD_BwE

You can pick up a 105 BB for less than £10.

So if you want to stay with 9 speed then source the parts and do the conversion yourself. It's pretty straightforward and you will learn a lot about maintenance in the process.

You could upgrade to 105 10 speed without needing new whells as mentioned above but that would involve a bit more complexity in the swap over as you would need to fir shifters, front and rear derailleurs and brakes with their associated cabling.

If that's the route you choose I would wait a month or so as there may well be good discounts in 10-speed 105 after the launch of the new 11-speed.

Nicnicol

yeah I thought was a bit to much. found a 105 chainset for £87 and the 105 BB for £9.50 and shifters for £109. glad I looked on that link for Ribble as its got the front mechs for £17 so that's a saving.

Matthewfalle

Have a look at Merlin cycles - their prices are really good - better than Ribble and free postage (I think they are doing Ultegra 10 speed shifters for only a tenner or so more than 105, brakes and mechs the same).

You won't have to change the front mech, that will be fine.

If it works out £30ish overall difference between Ultegra and 105 I'd go Ultegra - it seems that you ride it quite a lot so go the nicest that you can.

The cassette will pop across fine but as above, you may need the spacer - if the cassette doesn't come with this ask at the LBS for and old one or they are a couple of Pounds from somewhere like CRC.

Remember that you'll need new cables, but Shimano one from eth big box at the shop (inners and outers) will only be a tenner or so.

Alternatively, as its an Italian make, how about Campy?

slowbike

You could upgrade to 10 speed, but you'll not see any performance benefit - just it may look better.

I doubt you need a new chainset.
I also doubt the chain is 75% worn - it may be 0.75% worn - but that's just a new chain - possibly cassette too depending on the condition.
You can do all that for £20-30 (off the top of my head) - if you don't have the tools, it's a good time to invest in them - just a chainwhip and a cassette removal tool (for which you'll need a suitable socket set or spanner)

Best bet - if you're not sure - is to take a picture of the cassette and of the chainrings and post them here.

Nicnicol

Well I have the FSA Vero that looks battered and I hate square taper BBs as always seem effort to get them off or risk damaging the thread so a reason when I would not mind changing the chain set but would rather change to something better so that is why they said the sora chainset but if I am spending that I may as well pay the extra to go 105 while I have the money.
Merlin are doing the shifters for £110 so going to see if Halfords will price match it, as they state they do then see if i can slap my British Cycling membership on it to lower it another 10%. worth a try.
I would say would of done over 2000 miles on the bike.
the reason why I am changing the cassette as well, is because everyone keeps telling me that when changing the chain its a good idea to change the cassette.

Nicnicol

Well I can say the manager at the Portsmouth Halfords branch was usless, haha.
Thanks for the advise on the front mech and that using a spacer on the hub for the 10 speed cassette.
I have taken pictures of my chain and cassette so will try and get them up on here.

Nicnicol

Bobbinogs

I think you need to have a think about what you want to achieve. If this is the first time you have replaced the chain and it is .75 then, in all probability, you do not need a new cassette. In fact, even when chains have become completely stretched it is only a possibility that the cassette needs changing.

So, £20 for a new KMC x9L will sort you out good and proper, although you might want to add in the cost of a Parker mini-Chainbrute so that you can adjust and fit the chain yourself (a 5 minute job at max.)

Now, new chainset? Highly unlikely, IMO. I do about 7,000 miles a year and have no plans whatsoever about buying new chainrings. Why not just change the chain and see how you go? If you then find you have slipping cogs then check gear adjustment for a minor tweak first before rushing back to the shop with credit card in hand...and the same goes for the front shifter setup, etc.

So, have a little think: Are you trying to justify sticking one extra cog on your bike (note, I didn't use the word upgrade) or just trying to fix your current problem? If the latter, then just buy a chain and, while you are at it a decent chain checker (or use a steel rule which works well) and get into the habit of checking once a month. The general rule of thumb is new chain at ~0.75 and poss new cassette if left to .9

I would also recommend some Missinglink removal pliers but these are not essential. Yes, I have increased the price of the fix but you really need to start checking the chain yourself and, in order to prolong wear/tear on your whole drivechain, a decent chain clean every now and then will help wonders...so being able to easily remove the quick link and drop the chain into a bucket of cleaner will help you do this properly and quickly.

As for adding an extra cog? Well, it is always handy for maintaining cadence but far from essential. My 3 road bikes are 9 speed and I find it works very well (nice and chunky, durable, cost effective and, if set up right, rarely goes wrong).

keef66

I was about to say the same. I'd just replace the chain and see what happens. If it skips on some sprockets under pressure, buy and fit a new cassette. Very cheap fix for 9 speed Sora.

If on the other hand you're wanting to fit a shiny new 10 speed groupset, Merlin are discounting the outgoing 105 5700 stuff so you can have an OEM groupset for £300. There is a thriving market for reliable chunky 9 speed kit, so you should have no problem selling on the Sora (minus the chain obv.)

If you decide you'd rather wait for the new 11 speed 105 then you'll possibly be needing new wheels too.