Lactic acid appearing too soon

declan1

I've noticed recently that I get the burn way too soon. Even if I just accelerate slightly my legs burn almost instantly. Do you think there's something wrong with my position?

goonz

Dont push so hard to begin with?

Get yourself a HR sensor and try and keep within the correct zones when training?

Enjoy the BURN!!!!!

sloppyschleckonds

Sitting too far forward?

declan1

madasahattersley wrote:

Doubt it's because of your position... could be mental? Not adapted to position? Lactic threshold low?

I'm thinking lactic threshold - are there ways to quickly (I know...) improve it?

chris_bass

lactic acid builds up when you dont get enough oxygen to your muscles, so maybe work on your breathing, try not to hold your breath when really pushing (sounds silly but it can happen!)

or failing that, EPO should help :-)

declan1

Chris Bass wrote:

lactic acid builds up when you dont get enough oxygen to your muscles, so maybe work on your breathing, try not to hold your breath when really pushing (sounds silly but it can happen!)

or failing that, EPO should help :-)

Yes, that's something I've noticed I'm not very good at. I'm going to try heavy breathing on my next ride

goonz

Lactic threshold increases by riding longer in the right HR zone or as I was told by the sports guys at Energy Lab.

I had my lactic threshold test where they took blood and all sorts and gave me my HR zones to train in. This is what it says on my results page for the Anaerobic training zone i.e. the red zone:

"this is the zone for anaerobic training stimuli, used to train your lactic acid tolerance. The intensity is as good as maximal. The lactic acid production is very high, and recovery can take 48-72 hours to occur."

This may just be a very basic explanation and obviously doesn't help with how to train etc (too much to copy here). The results showed my lactate threshold and also got to compare it to a pro riders which was simply crazy.

Heres some of my results (thanks flickr!)


And here is the lactate graph for a pro rider...

goonz

Ill take your comment in jest, but not everyone here is a pro rider (including me) and weighing 65kg didnt help my cause.

This was of course after cycling for ~30mins already with the wattage ramping up 60W every 5 mins.

declan1

goonz wrote:

Lactic threshold increases by riding longer in the right HR zone or as I was told by the sports guys at Energy Lab.

I had my lactic threshold test where they took blood and all sorts and gave me my HR zones to train in. This is what it says on my results page for the Anaerobic training zone i.e. the red zone:

"this is the zone for anaerobic training stimuli, used to train your lactic acid tolerance. The intensity is as good as maximal. The lactic acid production is very high, and recovery can take 48-72 hours to occur."

This may just be a very basic explanation and obviously doesn't help with how to train etc (too much to copy here). The results showed my lactate threshold and also got to compare it to a pro riders which was simply crazy.

Heres some of my results (thanks flickr!)


And here is the lactate graph for a pro rider...

This is very interesting. I'd love to get some of these tests done as I'm trying to ride to the HR zones but I have no idea if I've calculated it all right or not!

d_o_g

Train more. It's pretty much always the solution.

declan1

D O G wrote:

Train more. It's pretty much always the solution.

I just find it odd that the lactic acid appears almost instantly after accelerating. I've got top 10s in most climbs around me including a few KOMs so it's not as if I'm really unfit (although I'm certainly not fast).

g00se

Do you grind the cranks rather than spin?

gavbarron

When accelerating are you accelerating as hard as you can or just upping the pace?

declan1

Nope, I spin as much as possible. My cadence is, at a guess, around 90-100 average.

I accelerate fairly quickly, perhaps a 5 on the effort scale.

napoleond

I had this problem, coupled with bad cramps. Then I couldn't get my HR up. Then I got REALLY unwell. It turned out to be Glandular Fever and abnormal* Liver Function.

Still getting over it nearly 12 months later but I went to see Garry Palmer at www.sportstest.co.uk in Feb as I was really struggling. He identified my training zones VERY accurately and gave me a training plan. In short. It's working. REALLY well.

My power at 'endurance' has increased 40-50w as has my FTP in 3 months. I've lost a stone. I did a VERY unexpected PB at the Little Mountain time trial in April. I'm feeling great!










*Fvcked

declan1

NapoleonD wrote:

I had this problem, coupled with bad cramps. Then I couldn't get my HR up. Then I got REALLY unwell. It turned out to be Glandular Fever and abnormal* Liver Function.

Still getting over it nearly 12 months later but I went to see Garry Palmer at http://www.sportstest.co.uk in Feb as I was really struggling. He identified my training zones VERY accurately and gave me a training plan. In short. It's working. REALLY well.

My power at 'endurance' has increased 40-50w as has my FTP in 3 months. I've lost a stone. I did a VERY unexpected PB at the Little Mountain time trial in April. I'm feeling great!










*Fvcked

That is also very interesting! Thanks for the replies everyone - it's got me thinking

Daz555

Lactic acid? Myth?

http://velonews.competitor.com/2014/02/ ... ked_316899