Mick Rogers cleared

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  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    TMR wrote:
    iainf72 wrote:
    UCI / WADA accept the contamination story.

    Loses result from race but no ban.

    If they have accepted the explanation, why have they taken the result?

    Thems the rules
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  • TMR
    TMR Posts: 3,986
    iainf72 wrote:
    TMR wrote:
    iainf72 wrote:
    UCI / WADA accept the contamination story.

    Loses result from race but no ban.

    If they have accepted the explanation, why have they taken the result?

    Thems the rules

    Interesting. I'm not sure how I feel about it TBH. I view MR as one of the 'Old Guard' of riders, whom time is gradually booting out of the Peleton.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    TMR wrote:
    iainf72 wrote:
    UCI / WADA accept the contamination story.

    Loses result from race but no ban.

    If they have accepted the explanation, why have they taken the result?
    Because a performance enhancer can still enhance performance if it is taken by accident.
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  • TMR
    TMR Posts: 3,986
    RichN95 wrote:
    Because a performance enhancer can still enhance performance if it is taken by accident.

    Accepted. That rule does seem harsh if the ingestee is entirely innocent though.
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    TMR wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    Because a performance enhancer can still enhance performance if it is taken by accident.

    Accepted. That rule does seem harsh if the ingestee is entirely innocent though.


    Reasoning is that the substance still gave the athlete an unfair advantage over other competitors, irrespective of whether it was intentionally ingested or not.

    And in Dodger's case, he won the race with the stuff in his system*



    *no, I have no idea whether it made any difference or not
  • Crankbrother
    Crankbrother Posts: 1,695
    Richmond Racer wrote:
    TMR wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    Because a performance enhancer can still enhance performance if it is taken by accident.

    Accepted. That rule does seem harsh if the ingestee is entirely innocent though.


    Reasoning is that the substance still gave the athlete an unfair advantage over other competitors, irrespective of whether it was intentionally ingested or not.

    And in Dodger's case, he won the race with the stuff in his system*



    *no, I have no idea whether it made any difference or not

    I don't see how reading an old Saint Etienne fanzine could help anyone win a bike race ...
  • mroli
    mroli Posts: 3,622
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Not one person yet condemning the decision despite the 60% thinking he was guilty. Basically guilty until proven innocent approach then change your opinions in line with the ruling body.
    I'll have a crack Frenchie. Basically he was found with Clen in his system. He was committed a doping infringement (whether knowingly or not). In a world where all riders were well aware that eating meat in China was a risk, it appears that Mick took that risk, in the knowledge he was taking a risk and that he was racing the next week.

    He should have been (on a strict interpretation) been found guilty of a doping infringement and given a ban. I do believe that he inadvertently took Clen through a contaminated food source and that should have been taken into consideration in setting his ban - which should (imho) have been 6 months from the date of test.

    On a sporting note though, I am very happy that he will be back and hopefully fit enough to ride for Contador in the TdF. I also hope that Sky's A team will get back up to par as well as I hope that this could really be an epic edition with some great riders going toe to toe with no excuses.
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  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    I'm sure he'll be fit, even if not race fit yet...hardly anyone picked up on it but fact is that Dodger ("suspended from the team") was training in Sicily with the rest of the Tinki gang recently
  • TMR
    TMR Posts: 3,986
    Richmond Racer wrote:
    TMR wrote:
    RichN95 wrote:
    Because a performance enhancer can still enhance performance if it is taken by accident.

    Accepted. That rule does seem harsh if the ingestee is entirely innocent though.


    Reasoning is that the substance still gave the athlete an unfair advantage over other competitors, irrespective of whether it was intentionally ingested or not.

    And in Dodger's case, he won the race with the stuff in his system*



    *no, I have no idea whether it made any difference or not

    OK, thanks.
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    mroli wrote:
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Not one person yet condemning the decision despite the 60% thinking he was guilty. Basically guilty until proven innocent approach then change your opinions in line with the ruling body.
    I'll have a crack Frenchie. Basically he was found with Clen in his system. He was committed a doping infringement (whether knowingly or not). In a world where all riders were well aware that eating meat in China was a risk, it appears that Mick took that risk, in the knowledge he was taking a risk and that he was racing the next week.

    He should have been (on a strict interpretation) been found guilty of a doping infringement and given a ban. I do believe that he inadvertently took Clen through a contaminated food source and that should have been taken into consideration in setting his ban - which should (imho) have been 6 months from the date of test.

    On a sporting note though, I am very happy that he will be back and hopefully fit enough to ride for Contador in the TdF. I also hope that Sky's A team will get back up to par as well as I hope that this could really be an epic edition with some great riders going toe to toe with no excuses.

    Fair enough.
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  • tuneskyline
    tuneskyline Posts: 370
    I thought he was guilty as hell to be honest.
  • mroli
    mroli Posts: 3,622
    Richmond Racer wrote:
    I'm sure he'll be fit, even if not race fit yet...hardly anyone picked up on it but fact is that Dodger ("suspended from the team") was training in Sicily with the rest of the Tinki gang recently
    Big difference training from racing (imho). Contador took a year to get that sharpness back. Valverde currently in amazing form - didn't come straight back to that....
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  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    mroli wrote:
    Richmond Racer wrote:
    I'm sure he'll be fit, even if not race fit yet...hardly anyone picked up on it but fact is that Dodger ("suspended from the team") was training in Sicily with the rest of the Tinki gang recently
    Big difference training from racing (imho). Contador took a year to get that sharpness back. Valverde currently in amazing form - didn't come straight back to that....


    Well, firstly you're talking about leaders who need to finish the thing off in a race - whereas Rogers is a super dom.

    Also Bert's ban finished and he was able to resume racing 6 Aug 2012. That day he started the Eneco Tour and finished 4th overall. 12 days after 6 Aug, he started the Vuelta and won the thing.

    And Valverde resumed racing post-ban 3 Feb 2013. On 5 Feb, he won Trofeo Serra de Tramuntana. 12 days later he won the Prologue at TdSL, followed by a 2nd stage and then the overall win.
  • nic_77
    nic_77 Posts: 929
    Crankbrother wrote:
    I don't see how reading an old Saint Etienne fanzine could help anyone win a bike race ...
    I feel we've clashed on the forum in the past, but there's a reference which makes me want to 'kiss and make up'.
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  • Macaloon
    Macaloon Posts: 5,545
    ^ The better Wiggo rides, the more Crankbrother reads like Joy of Cycling. Fascinating.
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  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,725
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Riis/Contador are not under fire Blazing, don't get your hopes up. They stamped all over the stage racing season so far and any nasty news from JB would have come out a while ago.

    Nobody told the Germans:
    https://de.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs/an ... 12342.html

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  • fleshtuxedo
    fleshtuxedo Posts: 1,858
    nic_77 wrote:
    Crankbrother wrote:
    I don't see how reading an old Saint Etienne fanzine could help anyone win a bike race ...
    I feel we've clashed on the forum in the past, but there's a reference which makes me want to 'kiss and make up'.

    :lol: Chapeau :lol:
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Riis/Contador are not under fire Blazing, don't get your hopes up. They stamped all over the stage racing season so far and any nasty news from JB would have come out a while ago.

    Nobody told the Germans:
    https://de.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs/an ... 12342.html

    A very nice picture for your collection :lol:

    I just wasted two mins reading that article as I learned nothing.

    Hypothetically lets say Contador doped in their hands. 1. Why is it in their interests to rat on him? 2. Contador is so well liked it makes it a lot harder for them to do it, mentally. 3. Doping figures in a team dont mean every or any rider dopes especially those not leading the team 100%. 4. Frooome's ridiculous acceleration on Ventoux is no different to the handful of excellent accelerations by Contador v MR (apart from one looked like a loon and the other stole fan's hearts). 5. You can work with a tainted trainer and him not be involved in doping you. Otherwise I assume you think Sky are doped due to GL. Many other cases. 6. In case you were not aware Froome and Porte frequented motorman's shop before Brailsford stopped them due to Yates having to leave Sky (Yates and motoman are really good friends). Do you think that association makes them dopers...I dont think its sensible at all but wouldnt use it as conclusive proof of doping - after all motoman is supposed to be excellent with O-rings.
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  • thegibdog
    thegibdog Posts: 2,106
    TheBigBean wrote:
    So, Rogers did nothing wrong, but still ended up suspended and subject to slander for a number of months. Almost sounds like the system is a little flawed.
    Sounds like people subject to strict liability should be more careful about what they're eating. And I hardly think Rogers could make any claims of defamation...
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  • Crankbrother
    Crankbrother Posts: 1,695
    Macaloon wrote:
    ^ The better Wiggo rides, the more Crankbrother reads like Joy of Cycling. Fascinating.

    You do know it's Wiggs, not Wiggins, I'm referring to ... :wink:
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    He is racing LBL.
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    frenchfighter wrote:
    He is racing LBL.
    I'd love to see him win it just for the internet meltdown.
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  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    RichN95 wrote:
    frenchfighter wrote:
    He is racing LBL.
    I'd love to see him win it just for the internet meltdown.

    I reckon he will finish higher than all but one or two Sky rider despite not racing all year.
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  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    RichN95 wrote:
    frenchfighter wrote:
    He is racing LBL.
    I'd love to see him win it just for the internet meltdown.


    That would be fun

    And I quite like Dodger
  • frenchfighter
    frenchfighter Posts: 30,642
    Lucky he is racing for Tinkoff and not Sky.

    “Of course I’m happy that he’s back because he’s a great helper for Roman today in the race and will be for Alberto Contador in the Tour de France. He’s a powerful missile,” Tinkov told Cyclingnews.

    “We’ll see [about the Tour], normally yes but it depends. If he abandons all the races before the Tour de France then he won’t do it,” Tinkov joked.

    “He called me when he was cleared, I said congratulations but from the very beginning I had faith in him and I believed him. I know there are many athletes from other sports having this issue in China, so he’s not the only one, but we welcome the end of this story.”

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/tinkov- ... nt-missile
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  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,434
    frenchfighter wrote:
    Lucky he is racing for Tinkoff and not Sky.

    Why?

    Do you think Sky would have done anything different?
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