The 'Don't sack Moyes' petition

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  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,540
    johnfinch wrote:
    pinarello001 wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Drat, the peition never had time to get going.

    I almost felt a bit sorry for Moyes today. In some ways he reminds me of Gordon Brown - another Scotsman who got the dream job he was always after, then fekked it up and watched his career crumble to dust.

    Anyhow, wonder if Giggsy can do any better for the last few matches of the season :)

    Doesn't matter what Giggsy does, no CL for them. A dilapidated squad marinaded into the 'you do what I say or else' archaic Fuggle methodology and it's crumbling without the big stick all in the face of Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal, Man City and now Everton vying for a CL place. Mounting debts don't help but that will be all sorted out when they go into administration and do a 'Ranger's'.

    Better than a soap opera. Can any of the geeks check out how long Fergie had been in charge when Steve Bruce saved him from the chop? F*cking Steve Bruce.

    You forgot to mention there massive debt.

    Better?
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  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,839
    No new signings till the new manager is appointed - might take some time. And they can't afford (literally) to screw it up again on the manager front. No pressure then....
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • finchy
    finchy Posts: 6,686
    pinarello001 wrote:
    johnfinch wrote:
    pinarello001 wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Drat, the peition never had time to get going.

    I almost felt a bit sorry for Moyes today. In some ways he reminds me of Gordon Brown - another Scotsman who got the dream job he was always after, then fekked it up and watched his career crumble to dust.

    Anyhow, wonder if Giggsy can do any better for the last few matches of the season :)

    Doesn't matter what Giggsy does, no CL for them. A dilapidated squad marinaded into the 'you do what I say or else' archaic Fuggle methodology and it's crumbling without the big stick all in the face of Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal, Man City and now Everton vying for a CL place. Mounting debts don't help but that will be all sorted out when they go into administration and do a 'Ranger's'.

    Better than a soap opera. Can any of the geeks check out how long Fergie had been in charge when Steve Bruce saved him from the chop? F*cking Steve Bruce.

    You forgot to mention there massive debt.

    Better?

    No, you quoted me before I could edit my hideous spelling mistake.
  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 16,010
    johnfinch wrote:
    pinarello001 wrote:
    johnfinch wrote:
    pinarello001 wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Drat, the peition never had time to get going.

    I almost felt a bit sorry for Moyes today. In some ways he reminds me of Gordon Brown - another Scotsman who got the dream job he was always after, then fekked it up and watched his career crumble to dust.

    Anyhow, wonder if Giggsy can do any better for the last few matches of the season :)

    Doesn't matter what Giggsy does, no CL for them. A dilapidated squad marinaded into the 'you do what I say or else' archaic Fuggle methodology and it's crumbling without the big stick all in the face of Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal, Man City and now Everton vying for a CL place. Mounting debts don't help but that will be all sorted out when they go into administration and do a 'Ranger's'.

    Better than a soap opera. Can any of the geeks check out how long Fergie had been in charge when Steve Bruce saved him from the chop? F*cking Steve Bruce.

    You forgot to mention there massive debt.

    Better?

    No, you quoted me before I could edit my hideous spelling mistake.

    Their's no harm done. :wink:
  • slowmart
    slowmart Posts: 4,516
    Moyes has been under massive pressure but he has acted with dignity, honesty and integrity and that for me is the true measure of the man.

    Clearly these qualities have been hard to come by in the present squad.
    “Give a man a fish and feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and feed him for a lifetime. Teach a man to cycle and he will realize fishing is stupid and boring”

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  • finchy
    finchy Posts: 6,686
    Ballysmate wrote:
    johnfinch wrote:
    pinarello001 wrote:
    johnfinch wrote:
    pinarello001 wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Drat, the peition never had time to get going.

    I almost felt a bit sorry for Moyes today. In some ways he reminds me of Gordon Brown - another Scotsman who got the dream job he was always after, then fekked it up and watched his career crumble to dust.

    Anyhow, wonder if Giggsy can do any better for the last few matches of the season :)

    Doesn't matter what Giggsy does, no CL for them. A dilapidated squad marinaded into the 'you do what I say or else' archaic Fuggle methodology and it's crumbling without the big stick all in the face of Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal, Man City and now Everton vying for a CL place. Mounting debts don't help but that will be all sorted out when they go into administration and do a 'Ranger's'.

    Better than a soap opera. Can any of the geeks check out how long Fergie had been in charge when Steve Bruce saved him from the chop? F*cking Steve Bruce.

    You forgot to mention there massive debt.

    Better?

    No, you quoted me before I could edit my hideous spelling mistake.

    Their's no harm done. :wink:

    Ignorant peasant. :P :P :P
  • sloppyschleckonds
    sloppyschleckonds Posts: 8,019
    I wonder if Everton fans want him back…….?
    I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles
  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 16,010
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    Drat, the peition never had time to get going.

    I almost felt a bit sorry for Moyes today. In some ways he reminds me of Gordon Brown - another Scotsman who got the dream job he was always after, then fekked it up and watched his career crumble to dust.

    Anyhow, wonder if Giggsy can do any better for the last few matches of the season :)

    If things go tits up, he could always find solace in the arms (and other parts of anatomy) of his brother's wife.
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,540
    SloppySchleckonds wrote:
    I wonder if Everton fans want him back…….?

    Maybe they will when Martinez gets the MU job.
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  • sungod
    sungod Posts: 17,443
    oh noes! don't sack moyes, otherwise i'll have to learn a new name to trigger the tv mute reflex

    footballists are dull

    interest in football is clearly inversely proportionate to mental capacity, just watch live interviews for proof
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  • debeli
    debeli Posts: 583
    johnfinch wrote:
    Debeli wrote:
    The cretins who wanted the Glazers out

    Much as I enjoy rubbishing anything to do with Manure, why are their fans cretins for wanting the Glazers out?

    Well... To my mind the anti-Glazer bleating is cretinous. To others, it may not be. I am not entirely chuffed that Arsenal is owned in part by a robber baron from the former USSR, but that need not affect my support for the team. I support a football team, but I do not feel the need to make pronouncements about its ownership or its business decisions.

    I am middle-aged and perhaps unsuited to the new concept of partisan support of a sporting side. I do not want to pick the team, do not want to choose the tactics, do not want to make the backroom appointments or have any input into the fiscal strategy.

    I am pleased (sometimes VERY PLEASED) when they do well and I am sometimes slightly put off my lunch when they underperform or are beaten by a better side.

    I find it odd, funny, bizarre that someone with an emotional investment in a sporting club for which they play no active part other than paying for a ticket and boasting about 'their' success at work should feel the need to vent on matters like ownership. The Glazers are many things, but they are not crooks on a par with recent and current owners of other EPL clubs - and the team have enjoyed great success under their ownership.

    But it's just a view and I may be overstating it....
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,540
    Debeli wrote:
    johnfinch wrote:
    Debeli wrote:
    The cretins who wanted the Glazers out

    Much as I enjoy rubbishing anything to do with Manure, why are their fans cretins for wanting the Glazers out?

    Well... To my mind the anti-Glazer bleating is cretinous. To others, it may not be. I am not entirely chuffed that Arsenal is owned in part by a robber baron from the former USSR, but that need not affect my support for the team.

    So how do you feel about an imaginary club that wears say, Blue kit that's wholly owned by a robber baron from the former USSR?
    seanoconn - gruagach craic!
  • southdownswolf
    southdownswolf Posts: 1,525
    pinarello001 wrote:
    Debeli wrote:
    johnfinch wrote:
    Debeli wrote:
    The cretins who wanted the Glazers out

    Much as I enjoy rubbishing anything to do with Manure, why are their fans cretins for wanting the Glazers out?

    Well... To my mind the anti-Glazer bleating is cretinous. To others, it may not be. I am not entirely chuffed that Arsenal is owned in part by a robber baron from the former USSR, but that need not affect my support for the team.

    So how do you feel about an imaginary club that wears say, Blue kit that's wholly owned by a robber baron from the former USSR?

    Personally, I'm sure that I would have hated them before they were owned by said robber Baron :wink:
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  • finchy
    finchy Posts: 6,686
    Debeli wrote:
    johnfinch wrote:
    Debeli wrote:
    The cretins who wanted the Glazers out

    Much as I enjoy rubbishing anything to do with Manure, why are their fans cretins for wanting the Glazers out?

    Well... To my mind the anti-Glazer bleating is cretinous. To others, it may not be. I am not entirely chuffed that Arsenal is owned in part by a robber baron from the former USSR, but that need not affect my support for the team. I support a football team, but I do not feel the need to make pronouncements about its ownership or its business decisions.

    I am middle-aged and perhaps unsuited to the new concept of partisan support of a sporting side. I do not want to pick the team, do not want to choose the tactics, do not want to make the backroom appointments or have any input into the fiscal strategy.

    I am pleased (sometimes VERY PLEASED) when they do well and I am sometimes slightly put off my lunch when they underperform or are beaten by a better side.

    I find it odd, funny, bizarre that someone with an emotional investment in a sporting club for which they play no active part other than paying for a ticket and boasting about 'their' success at work should feel the need to vent on matters like ownership. The Glazers are many things, but they are not crooks on a par with recent and current owners of other EPL clubs - and the team have enjoyed great success under their ownership.

    But it's just a view and I may be overstating it....

    Would you be happy if someone came along and saddled Arsenal with a £600m debt out of the blue?
  • sloppyschleckonds
    sloppyschleckonds Posts: 8,019
    pinarello001 wrote:
    SloppySchleckonds wrote:
    I wonder if Everton fans want him back…….?

    Maybe they will when Martinez gets the MU job.

    Not Arsenal?
    I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,540
    SloppySchleckonds wrote:
    pinarello001 wrote:
    SloppySchleckonds wrote:
    I wonder if Everton fans want him back…….?

    Maybe they will when Martinez gets the MU job.

    Not Arsenal?

    It was a piece of imaginary irony.

    I would like Martinez as boss of Arsenal.
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  • bdu98252
    bdu98252 Posts: 171
    johnfinch wrote:
    Debeli wrote:
    johnfinch wrote:
    Debeli wrote:
    The cretins who wanted the Glazers out

    Much as I enjoy rubbishing anything to do with Manure, why are their fans cretins for wanting the Glazers out?

    Well... To my mind the anti-Glazer bleating is cretinous. To others, it may not be. I am not entirely chuffed that Arsenal is owned in part by a robber baron from the former USSR, but that need not affect my support for the team. I support a football team, but I do not feel the need to make pronouncements about its ownership or its business decisions.

    I am middle-aged and perhaps unsuited to the new concept of partisan support of a sporting side. I do not want to pick the team, do not want to choose the tactics, do not want to make the backroom appointments or have any input into the fiscal strategy.

    I am pleased (sometimes VERY PLEASED) when they do well and I am sometimes slightly put off my lunch when they underperform or are beaten by a better side.

    I find it odd, funny, bizarre that someone with an emotional investment in a sporting club for which they play no active part other than paying for a ticket and boasting about 'their' success at work should feel the need to vent on matters like ownership. The Glazers are many things, but they are not crooks on a par with recent and current owners of other EPL clubs - and the team have enjoyed great success under their ownership.

    But it's just a view and I may be overstating it....

    Would you be happy if someone came along and saddled Arsenal with a £600m debt out of the blue?

    The Glazers bought the club from the previous owner and needed investors including themselves to fund it. The 600m of debt is a notional figure and used primarily to avoid paying tax in the UK. It is the same model as Starbucks and most other companies. Man U will be paying interest payments to a company in a tax exile country that is very close to its profit every year to minimise UK taxes. From a business perspective it is called leveraging a company and minimising its tax liability. Not good for the UK or any other high to middle tax economies.
  • 4kicks
    4kicks Posts: 549
    Right, but if you know about LBO S you´ll know the tax element isnt why or how they work. GBP 600mio may not be the absolute debt figure but if you back engineer it from the interest payments and a likely risk weighted cost of capital its not far off the real figure. "Leveraging" is basically about taking a bet on the ability to tart up the asset to an extent that the subsequent return to the public market offsets the massive interest obligations. Im curious how much debt coverage MU has assuming three years of non Champions league football plus massively reduced image rights income of the top players once they all jump ship. My guess is its less than one year.
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  • nathancom
    nathancom Posts: 1,567
    4kicks wrote:
    Right, but if you know about LBO S you´ll know the tax element isnt why or how they work. GBP 600mio may not be the absolute debt figure but if you back engineer it from the interest payments and a likely risk weighted cost of capital its not far off the real figure. "Leveraging" is basically about taking a bet on the ability to tart up the asset to an extent that the subsequent return to the public market offsets the massive interest obligations. Im curious how much debt coverage MU has assuming three years of non Champions league football plus massively reduced image rights income of the top players once they all jump ship. My guess is its less than one year.
    I think fans were understandably miffed about how aggressively the Glazers were stripping profits out of the club to pay off their debts incurred from their failing mall businesses as well. It has undoubtedly hindered the maintenance of a high quality squad in recent years.

    Concerning the IPO, it is a very strange business to buy shares in when the barrier to success is so high and the penalty for failure is so great. I guess people buy the shares often for non financial reasons.
  • slowmart
    slowmart Posts: 4,516
    [quote="nathancom"
    Concerning the IPO, it is a very strange business to buy shares in when the barrier to success is so high and the penalty for failure is so great. I guess people buy the shares often for non financial reasons.[/quote]


    Funny you should say that. Rangers FC?
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  • 4kicks
    4kicks Posts: 549
    I totally get the supporters were (justifiably) miffed. The point Im trying to make is NOT ONLY is there the profit stripping, there is a pretty realistic change they could put the whole thing out of business. As to the ipo, I agree, but with King (the maker of "Candy Crush") reckoing they are worth $500mio, it never ceases to amaze me how banks can sell anything knowing well they dont want to be the last one holding the parcel when the music stops. fwiw, im shorting Facebook. Once the market realities FB´s user base is full of 750mio Indians living on less than 5$ a day and the rest of its users are bored stay at home mums, Im gonna be in the money.
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  • 4kicks
    4kicks Posts: 549
    As an aside, Im coming to the point of view that the FA´s "fitness test" for owners of clubs boils down to one criteria. "DO they have a pulse". At what point should supporters of MANY clubs file a class action suit against the FA for its appalling regulation of this point?
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  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 16,010
    RVP rises like Lazarus from the treatment table once Moyes has gone.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... acked.html

    :shock: No, I don't think so.
    :wink:
  • Mikey23
    Mikey23 Posts: 5,306
    So how did the petition go then?
  • sloppyschleckonds
    sloppyschleckonds Posts: 8,019
    Mikey23 wrote:
    So how did the petition go then?

    News just reached Cornwall?
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  • arran77
    arran77 Posts: 9,260
    SloppySchleckonds wrote:
    Mikey23 wrote:
    So how did the petition go then?

    News just reached Cornwall?

    No, the meds have just worn off :wink:
    "Arran, you are like the Tony Benn of smut. You have never diluted your depravity and always stand by your beliefs. You have my respect sir and your wife my pity" :lol:

    seanoconn
  • Mikey23
    Mikey23 Posts: 5,306
    Was just being ironic as the constant drivel about moyes was interrupting our regular updates on smuggling, wrecking and dogging sites...
  • debeli
    debeli Posts: 583
    Moving on...

    Now that young Ryan Wilson has the job, I'm guessing that he's only in it until the summer.

    If... he does end up getting it (which seems unlikely, but could happen) how would the fans feel about calling for his exit if he fails to reach the standards they fondly believe an MUFC manager must meet?

    I've tried to imagine what a GIGGS OUT! banner looks like and I simply cannot. I can more easily imagine the RC faithful with POPE OUT! banners at St Mark's, or protesters in Mecca with... no, no, I can't. I didn't even think that. Stupid idea.

    As you were.
  • plowmar
    plowmar Posts: 1,032
    After today giggs will be out.

    Howay the Black Cats.
  • sloppyschleckonds
    sloppyschleckonds Posts: 8,019
    plowmar wrote:
    After today giggs will be out.

    Howay the Black Cats.

    Always good to see the smug git who got the previous manager the sack falling flat on his face.

    Keep Giggs should be the petition now! :lol:
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