1970 NOS bike

Moonbiker

Pretty

http://www.pedalpedlar.co.uk/collection ... in-3-sizes

Anonymous

Would be like going back in time!

Tyres will need replacing though ;-)

homers_double

I hope they detensioned the spokes whilst the bikes were in storage...

Bordersroadie

Moonbiker wrote:

Pretty

Pretty overpriced.

simon_masterson

Great brand. Has a bit of heritage, anyway. Not a high spec, but a nice bike nonetheless and a fantastic collector's opportunity...

Pross

Bordersroadie wrote:

Moonbiker wrote:

Pretty

Pretty overpriced.

Seriously overpriced more like. That frameset is lower than cromoly which I had on my first 'serious' bike and which was cheap, heavy and nasty. Information on the components is vague but won't be high level on a frame of that quality.

This seems to be a case of aiming at the suckers who think anything retro and steel is good. I wonder what my 653 framed bike is worth? Think I'll clean it up and get it on sale as there are obviously some mugs out there.

Monty Dog

Steelie rims and gas-pipe frame, the 70s equivalent of shed-ware - massively over-priced for what it is. For the same money you'd buy something tidy made from Columbus SL and contemporary Campagnolo components that will continue to appreciate in value because its a good bike.

navrig2

Love the brake cable routing!!

You're not really paying for the componentary value but the rarity.

If someone found a mint condition Hillman Imp it would attract silly money but would still be a heap of Scottish made rubbish.

I would NOT buy one though.

Moonbiker

Whats the modern eqivalent lvl spec then?


Triban 3 or lower ?

Just think in 2050 their will be rare NOS carbon fibre treks etc.

Monty Dog

It's lower-rent that a Decathlon Triban - more like a Viking.

rolf_f

Navrig2 wrote:

Love the brake cable routing!!

You're not really paying for the componentary value but the rarity.

If someone found a mint condition Hillman Imp it would attract silly money but would still be a heap of Scottish made rubbish.

I would NOT buy one though.

Trouble is, on that basis, all you can sensibly do with it is hang it on the wall. Once you've ridden it, it becomes a cheap old bike that you paid a serious wedge for.

Brake cable routing looks pretty conventional to me! :?

term1te

I still see a lot of Motobecane bikes from the 70s, and earlier, in use over here. I don't think there is a constant supply of NOS bikes for the gullable, they've just lasted 40+ years. Lower end bikes are seen as disposable in the UK, where as in mainland Europe a bike is for life. I saw a guy at the bus stop last night on a 1950 Swiss military bike, the date is stamped on the frame.

navrig2

Rolf F wrote:

Navrig2 wrote:

Love the brake cable routing!!

You're not really paying for the componentary value but the rarity.

If someone found a mint condition Hillman Imp it would attract silly money but would still be a heap of Scottish made rubbish.

I would NOT buy one though.

Trouble is, on that basis, all you can sensibly do with it is hang it on the wall. Once you've ridden it, it becomes a cheap old bike that you paid a serious wedge for.

Totally agree but would anyone want that particular bike on their wall?

Rolf F wrote:

Brake cable routing looks pretty conventional to me! :?

If you look at this picture:



The routing goes up and over the bars and along the top tube. Haven't seen that before even on my or my friends' 1980s racer bikes.

craker

Navrig2 wrote:

The routing goes up and over the bars and along the top tube. Haven't seen that before even on my or my friends' 1980s racer bikes.

It's pretty hard to make out, but in this picture of a right sh*t bike I picked up last year



the cable comes out of the top of the brake lever then disappears under the handlebars and along the top tube. 'Tis but a detail compared to your 'Over the bars ...'. If the cable's long enough you could probably tuck it under the bars mid ride if you wished.

As for the titular bike, looks like an excellent fixie conversion project. Replace the wheels, cold set the dropouts. Change the crankset. Sorted.

rolf_f

Navrig2 wrote:

Rolf F wrote:

Navrig2 wrote:

Love the brake cable routing!!

You're not really paying for the componentary value but the rarity.

If someone found a mint condition Hillman Imp it would attract silly money but would still be a heap of Scottish made rubbish.

I would NOT buy one though.

Trouble is, on that basis, all you can sensibly do with it is hang it on the wall. Once you've ridden it, it becomes a cheap old bike that you paid a serious wedge for.

Totally agree but would anyone want that particular bike on their wall?

Rolf F wrote:

Brake cable routing looks pretty conventional to me! :?

If you look at this picture:



The routing goes up and over the bars and along the top tube. Haven't seen that before even on my or my friends' 1980s racer bikes.

Not a bike for the enthusiast to hang on their wall but I can see it looking good in a random city loft!

That cable routing - my Raleighs (1980 and 86) and my dead Dawes Horizon (1990) all have that routing. I'd say it is pretty normal pre Aero hoods. Rather effective too - no cable rub and you can whip the cables out in seconds. Even swap braking from one side to the other with no fuss.

Monty Dog

craker wrote:

As for the titular bike, looks like an excellent fixie conversion project. Replace the wheels, cold set the dropouts. Change the crankset. Sorted.

That's a mighty expensive fixie conversion plus it's still be heavy and dead - for the same money you could buy a decent track bike.

ugo.santalucia

The bicycle is well presented, but if you look carefully is a non rusted version of many analogous you see parked in bunches outside the stations.
It has no merit, being made of cheap steel and carrying rather bottom of the range componentry. The steel rims are deadly, as they do slow down, but they don't actually stop you if you need to.
for 200 quid it would be worth a punt, but 750 is serious money for an old carcass and your money can go a lot further

Moonbiker

This ones Ultergra & columbus SL



http://www.pedalpedlar.co.uk/collection ... acing-bike

ugo.santalucia

That's a lot better... the geometry is extremely aggressive and if you are a mamil, used to sloping frame, it can hit your hamstrings pretty hard until you get used... I personally love these frames... very racey!

rolf_f

Moonbiker wrote:

This ones Ultergra & columbus SL



http://www.pedalpedlar.co.uk/collection ... acing-bike

But this one isn't NOS so it's just an old (but nice) bike.

I like this one - all full of Suntour and very orange http://www.pedalpedlar.co.uk/collections/bikes-for-sale/products/57cm-bridgestone-metalic-orange-nos-racing-bike. Some of the NOS bikes are 531 - eg the Gitanes but they have ropey looking Huret mechs (though they may be fine!).

Moonbiker

Dunno anything about sloping geometry never tried a bike with that.

This is my current bike unsure what type of geometry the frame has compared to other bikes etc?



Can you tell from picture?

It weighs 11.5kg total :oops: & is LUDO brand has a cromoly 4103 frame which think must be a heavy cheap frame due toi the bikes overall weight?

Moonbiker

But I was interested as to weather my frame would be classed as having an aggressive or relaxed traditional geometry?

The most dependable indication of aggressive bike frame geometry is head-tube angle. Any angle 73.5 degrees or more is considered to be aggressive on a midsized frame.

So suppose I could measure this angle to see.

Moonbiker

Yeah the frame angle does look less than the yellow one & comparing them the fork on mine seems to have alot more more rake so longer wheel base.Drops aren't right over over the front wheel centre like the other bike.



I also have this bike i think its a better spec bike but shame is frame is to big for me ( 60cm ).

ugo.santalucia

That Duell is nice, buy it!

veronese68

ugo.santalucia wrote:

That Duell is nice, buy it!

It is lovely.

drlodge

Any one remember the 12 speed Black Puch racing bikes? Would have been early 80s, these were quite common. In the 70s I had a Red Puch 5 speed and all the tubes were curved. Heavy as hell but very different.

simon_masterson

ugo.santalucia wrote:

That Duell is nice, buy it!

I definitely would!