Decision on Focus Cayo Evo.

Rydeadeye

I've been looking at purchasing a new steed for a number of weeks now and finally decided on the Focus Cayo Evo. I originally wanted the Focus Cayo Evo 3.0 with Ultegra retailing at £1599.99 but it has sold out pretty much everywhere in a 54 and Focus will not be building anymore.

So instead of the Cayo Evo 3.0 I was looking to purchase the Cayo Evo 4.0 which has Shimano 105 but upgrade the wheels to Fulcrum Racing 3's. I've been quoted a price for this of around £1650. However when enquiring at another shop I've now been quoted a decent price for the Cayo Evo 2.0 which retails for £1999.

Question is, what is the best option here? Do I go with my original plan and purchase the Cayo Evo 4.0 and upgrade the wheels, which will shave a fair bit of weight off. Or pay slightly more for the discounted Cayo Evo 2.0 with full Ultegra.

For info the Cayo 4.0 comes with Fulcrum WH-CEX 7.0 and the Cayo 2.0 comes with Fulcrum WH-CEX 6.5.

Any advice would be very much appreciated.

Cheers.

murf1480

Rydeadeye wrote:

I've been looking at purchasing a new steed for a number of weeks now and finally decided on the Focus Cayo Evo. I originally wanted the Focus Cayo Evo 3.0 with Ultegra retailing at £1599.99 but it has sold out pretty much everywhere in a 54 and Focus will not be building anymore.

So instead of the Cayo Evo 3.0 I was looking to purchase the Cayo Evo 4.0 which has Shimano 105 but upgrade the wheels to Fulcrum Racing 3's. I've been quoted a price for this of around £1650. However when enquiring at another shop I've now been quoted a decent price for the Cayo Evo 2.0 which retails for £1999.

Question is, what is the best option here? Do I go with my original plan and purchase the Cayo Evo 4.0 and upgrade the wheels, which will shave a fair bit of weight off. Or pay slightly more for the discounted Cayo Evo 2.0 with full Ultegra.

For info the Cayo 4.0 comes with Fulcrum WH-CEX 7.0 and the Cayo 2.0 comes with Fulcrum WH-CEX 6.5.

Any advice would be very much appreciated.

Cheers.

If your definite about your size have a word with these guys and see if they can get the bike you originally wanted.

http://www.primera-sports.com/products/ ... 18997.aspx

Rydeadeye

Cheers for the link. I forgot to add that I'm also using a halfords bike 2 work voucher that I'm going to top up. This limits where I have been able to look. However i'll check with Primera Sports as they might take it.

galatzo

What's the difference between the 2 Ultegra versions ?
Seen a 2014 Focus with sram force 22 and fizik finishing kit which looks nice but is £2400

Rydeadeye

The Cayo 2.0 is:

Bottom Bracket:PF30
Brake Levers:Shimano Ultegra
Cassette:Shimano Ultegra 11/28
Chain:Shimano Ultegra
Chainrings:FSA Energy Focus
Chainset Type:Standard (52/36)
Chainset:FSA Energy Focus
ColourCarbon / Red
Fork:Focus CRF Carbon T4
Frame:Cayo Evo Carbon
Front Brake:Shimano Ultegra
Front Derailleur:Shimano Ultegra
Front Hub:Fulcrum
Front TyreSchwalbe Durano S Foldable
Handlebars:Concept EX
Material Carbon Fibre
Number of Gears22
Rear Tyre:Schwalbe Durano S Foldable
Rims:Fulcrum WH-CEX 6.5
Saddle:Concept EX
Seatpost:Concept EX
Shifter TypeShimano Ultegra
Size:48cm, 51cm, 54cm, 57cm, 60cm
Stem:Concept EX Stem
Wheel Size700c Wheel
Model Year:2014
Rear Brake:Shimano Ultegra
Rear Hub:Fulcrum
Rear DerailleurShimano Ultegra
Brake Type:Rim



The Cayo 3.0 has:

Size:60cm, 48cm, 51cm, 54cm, 57cm
Stem:Concept EX Stem
Wheel Size700c Wheel
Model Year:2014
Rear Brake:Shimano Ultegra
Rear Hub:Fulcrum
Rear DerailleurShimano Ultegra
Brake Type:Rim
BrandFocus
GenderUnisex
Bottom Bracket:PF30
Brake Levers:Shimano Ultegra
Cassette:Shimano Ultegra 39/53-11/25 34/50-11/28
Chain:Shimano Ultegra
Chainrings:FSA Gossamer Focus
Chainset Type:Compact (50/34), Standard (53/39)
Chainset:Shimano Ultegra
ColourCarbon / Acidgreen
Fork:Focus CRF Carbon T4 Forks
Frame:Cayo Evo Carbon
Front Brake:Shimano Ultegra
Front Derailleur:Shimano Ultegra
Front Hub:Fulcrum
Front TyreSchwalbe Lugano
Handlebars:Concept EX Handlebars
Material Carbon Fibre
Number of Gears22
Rear Tyre:Schwalbe Lugano
Rims:Fulcrum
Saddle:Concept EX Saddle
Seatpost:Concept EX Seatpost
Shifter TypeShimano Ultegra Shifters

Cayo 4.0

Bottom Bracket:PF30
Brake Levers:Shimano 105
Cassette:Shimano 105 11/28
Chain:Shimano 105
Chainrings:FSA
Chainset Type:Compact (50/34)
Chainset:Shimano 105
ColourCarbon / Grey
Fork:Focus CRF Carbon T4
Frame:Cayo Evo Carbon Frameset
Front Brake:Shimano 105
Front Derailleur:Shimano 105
Front TyreSchwalbe Lugano
Handlebars:Concept EX
Material Carbon Fibre
Number of Gears20
Rear Tyre:Schwalbe Lugano
Rims:Fulcrum
Saddle:Concept EX
Seatpost:Concept EX
Shifter TypeShimano 105
Size:48cm, 51cm, 54cm, 57cm, 60cm
Stem:Concept EX Stem
Wheel Size700c Wheel
Model Year:2014
Rear Brake:Shimano 105
Rear DerailleurShimano 105
Brake Type:Rim

DKay

The two models of Fulcrum wheels are pretty much identical, so don't let them sway your decision. The WH-CEX 6.5s are OEM 2013 Fulcrum 7s, but with better hub seals. I would imagine that the WH-CEX 7.0s will be the OEM versions of the 2014 Fulcrum 7s, which are a smidge lighter. My Cayo Evo came with the former and I've found them to be decent wheels, if a little heavy (good for winter though). I swap them out for a pair of 1550g wheels for summer. They do bring the bike alive and the frame deserves the better wheels.

I personally think that the 3.0 offers the best value (although you've not said what price you can get the 2.0 for). If the shop is offering the 4.0 with Fulcrum 3s for £1650, that's a £250 premium. But, if you shop around you can get Campag Zondas (the same wheel) later on for around £270 and you can also buy your own preferred brand of tyre. According to reports, 6800 Ultegra is a big step up from 5700 105 and worth the extra. It all depends on what discount you are being offered, as the 2.0 is £600 more expensive at RRP which isn't justified in the spec difference, seeing as you can buy a full 6800 groupset for the same amount and have the 105 stuff left over for a winter build or to sell on.

At the end of the day though, it could be just down to which frame colour you like the look of the most.

sloppyschleckonds

Rydeadeye wrote:

The Cayo 2.0 is:

Bottom Bracket:PF30
Brake Levers:Shimano Ultegra
Cassette:Shimano Ultegra 11/28
Chain:Shimano Ultegra
Chainrings:FSA Energy Focus
Chainset Type:Standard (52/36)
Chainset:FSA Energy Focus
ColourCarbon / Red
Fork:Focus CRF Carbon T4
Frame:Cayo Evo Carbon
Front Brake:Shimano Ultegra
Front Derailleur:Shimano Ultegra
Front Hub:Fulcrum
Front TyreSchwalbe Durano S Foldable
Handlebars:Concept EX
Material Carbon Fibre
Number of Gears22
Rear Tyre:Schwalbe Durano S Foldable
Rims:Fulcrum WH-CEX 6.5
Saddle:Concept EX
Seatpost:Concept EX
Shifter TypeShimano Ultegra
Size:48cm, 51cm, 54cm, 57cm, 60cm
Stem:Concept EX Stem
Wheel Size700c Wheel
Model Year:2014
Rear Brake:Shimano Ultegra
Rear Hub:Fulcrum
Rear DerailleurShimano Ultegra
Brake Type:Rim



The Cayo 3.0 has:

Size:60cm, 48cm, 51cm, 54cm, 57cm
Stem:Concept EX Stem
Wheel Size700c Wheel
Model Year:2014
Rear Brake:Shimano Ultegra
Rear Hub:Fulcrum
Rear DerailleurShimano Ultegra
Brake Type:Rim
BrandFocus
GenderUnisex
Bottom Bracket:PF30
Brake Levers:Shimano Ultegra
Cassette:Shimano Ultegra 39/53-11/25 34/50-11/28
Chain:Shimano Ultegra
Chainrings:FSA Gossamer Focus
Chainset Type:Compact (50/34), Standard (53/39)
Chainset:Shimano Ultegra
ColourCarbon / Acidgreen
Fork:Focus CRF Carbon T4 Forks
Frame:Cayo Evo Carbon
Front Brake:Shimano Ultegra
Front Derailleur:Shimano Ultegra
Front Hub:Fulcrum
Front TyreSchwalbe Lugano
Handlebars:Concept EX Handlebars
Material Carbon Fibre
Number of Gears22
Rear Tyre:Schwalbe Lugano
Rims:Fulcrum
Saddle:Concept EX Saddle
Seatpost:Concept EX Seatpost
Shifter TypeShimano Ultegra Shifters

Cayo 4.0

Bottom Bracket:PF30
Brake Levers:Shimano 105
Cassette:Shimano 105 11/28
Chain:Shimano 105
Chainrings:FSA
Chainset Type:Compact (50/34)
Chainset:Shimano 105
ColourCarbon / Grey
Fork:Focus CRF Carbon T4
Frame:Cayo Evo Carbon Frameset
Front Brake:Shimano 105
Front Derailleur:Shimano 105
Front TyreSchwalbe Lugano
Handlebars:Concept EX
Material Carbon Fibre
Number of Gears20
Rear Tyre:Schwalbe Lugano
Rims:Fulcrum
Saddle:Concept EX
Seatpost:Concept EX
Shifter TypeShimano 105
Size:48cm, 51cm, 54cm, 57cm, 60cm
Stem:Concept EX Stem
Wheel Size700c Wheel
Model Year:2014
Rear Brake:Shimano 105
Rear DerailleurShimano 105
Brake Type:Rim

The 3:0 has the option of Standard (53/39) chainset

Rydeadeye

DKay wrote:

The two models of Fulcrum wheels are pretty much identical, so don't let them sway your decision. The WH-CEX 6.5s are OEM 2013 Fulcrum 7s, but with better hub seals. I would imagine that the WH-CEX 7.0s will be the OEM versions of the 2014 Fulcrum 7s, which are a smidge lighter. My Cayo Evo came with the former and I've found them to be decent wheels, if a little heavy (good for winter though). I swap them out for a pair of 1550g wheels for summer. They do bring the bike alive and the frame deserves the better wheels.

I personally think that the 3.0 offers the best value (although you've not said what price you can get the 2.0 for). If the shop is offering the 4.0 with Fulcrum 3s for £1650, that's a £250 premium. But, if you shop around you can get Campag Zondas (the same wheel) later on for around £270 and you can also buy your own preferred brand of tyre. According to reports, 6800 Ultegra is a big step up from 5700 105 and worth the extra. It all depends on what discount you are being offered, as the 2.0 is £600 more expensive at RRP which isn't justified in the spec difference, seeing as you can buy a full 6800 groupset for the same amount and have the 105 stuff left over for a winter build or to sell on.

At the end of the day though, it could be just down to which frame colour you like the look of the most.

Cheers for the advice so far. I've been offered the Evo 2.0 at £1799, so £200 off basically. although I probably like the Evo 4.0 frame better. The Fulcrum racing 5s are 1555g in weight which is pretty decent. Even paying the discounted £1799 for the Evo 2.0, I still think the wheels need upgrading on it. Is it worth paying the extra for Ultegra over 105?

Btw, I'm doing a lot of mileage atm as I'm training for Iron Man UK and I'm also training for the Fred Whitton in May too.

galatzo

105 will probably be 11spd next year so it doesn't make sense to go for that.
What about the addicts at westbrook ?
£1400 11spd di2 or 1200 with standard 6800 I think.
You can get cheap bars and stem and saddle to start with and some rs81s roughly within budget.
There's some 2013 de rosa r838 athena about for under 2k or you could build the deda gladiatore frame with 6800, rs81 wheels within budget.

sloppyschleckonds

Galatzo wrote:

105 will probably be 11spd next year so it doesn't make sense to go for that.
What about the addicts at westbrook ?
£1400 11spd di2 or 1200 with standard 6800 I think.
You can get cheap bars and stem and saddle to start with and some rs81s roughly within budget.
There's some 2013 de rosa r838 athena about for under 2k or you could build the deda gladiatore frame with 6800, rs81 wheels within budget.

Rydeadeye wrote:

Cheers for the link. I forgot to add that I'm also using a halfords bike 2 work voucher that I'm going to top up. This limits where I have been able to look.

DKay

Westbrook do Cycle Scheme, but not sure about the Halfords vouchers. Also, it's the Foils (not Addicts) with are on sale. Finally, you'll need to add 10% back on if using a Cycle Scheme voucher on their sale items.

DKay

Rydeadeye wrote:

Cheers for the advice so far. I've been offered the Evo 2.0 at £1799, so £200 off basically. although I probably like the Evo 4.0 frame better. The Fulcrum racing 5s are 1555g in weight which is pretty decent. Even paying the discounted £1799 for the Evo 2.0, I still think the wheels need upgrading on it. Is it worth paying the extra for Ultegra over 105?

Btw, I'm doing a lot of mileage atm as I'm training for Iron Man UK and I'm also training for the Fred Whitton in May too.

Even with the discount, I still don't think that the 2.0 is worth the extra £400 over the 4.0. The frame and fork are the same, as is all of the of the finishing kit (as far as i can tell). The only real differences are the Ultegra bits, the chainset (meh) and the tyres, the latter of which will only cost you around £40 to upgrade yourself.

If it were my money, I'd go for the 4.0 with the upgraded wheels. You then have the Fulcrum 7s for winter too. You even like the frame colours better. If you like the way your bike looks, you'll ride it more. If you want most of the operational benefits of the 6800 Ultegra stuff, then buy the Shimano polymer gear cables when funds allow. Who really needs 11 gears anyway?

Edit: http://road.cc/content/review/114669-sh ... 0-groupset

Rydeadeye

DKay wrote:

Rydeadeye wrote:

Cheers for the advice so far. I've been offered the Evo 2.0 at £1799, so £200 off basically. although I probably like the Evo 4.0 frame better. The Fulcrum racing 5s are 1555g in weight which is pretty decent. Even paying the discounted £1799 for the Evo 2.0, I still think the wheels need upgrading on it. Is it worth paying the extra for Ultegra over 105?

Btw, I'm doing a lot of mileage atm as I'm training for Iron Man UK and I'm also training for the Fred Whitton in May too.

Even with the discount, I still don't think that the 2.0 is worth the extra £400 over the 4.0. The frame and fork are the same, as is all of the of the finishing kit (as far as i can tell). The only real differences are the Ultegra bits, the chainset (meh) and the tyres, the latter of which will only cost you around £40 to upgrade yourself.

If it were my money, I'd go for the 4.0 with the upgraded wheels. You then have the Fulcrum 7s for winter too. You even like the frame colours better. If you like the way your bike looks, you'll ride it more. If you want most of the operational benefits of the 6800 Ultegra stuff, then buy the Shimano polymer gear cables when funds allow. Who really needs 11 gears anyway?

Edit: http://road.cc/content/review/114669-sh ... 0-groupset

I agree, it seems too much cash for the ultegra groupset but not much else as the frame is the same. The key thing is frame and forks, then wheels, that's where I'll save on weight as well. Cheers for your advice!

DKay

You're welcome. What I did with my Cayo, is buy the 2013 6.0 and accumulated a full 6700 groupset and various carbon bits over time via the classifieds and I saved loads. I then swapped over everything and I now have enough bits to form the basis of a winter build and a Cayo with a better spec than the 1.0, but at a much cheaper price.

matt-h

I have the Cayo 1.0 with 6800 and its a great bike.
Be interesting to see which you go for

Matt

wandsworth

DKay wrote:

You're welcome. What I did with my Cayo, is buy the 2013 6.0 and accumulated a full 6700 groupset and various carbon bits over time via the classifieds and I saved loads. I then swapped over everything and I now have enough bits to form the basis of a winter build and a Cayo with a better spec than the 1.0, but at a much cheaper price.

What wheels did you put on it? I have a 2013 Cayo Evo 6.0 and am thinking about upgrading the wheels.

marshall_a

Well this thread got my backside into gear and if you don't mind a trip across the pennines then give Northern Ride a call http://www.northernride.com/default.asp

It's a new shop openned up last summer, great pair of lads (father/son), and I know they have atleast one cayo 3 medium instock. Think they do the halfords C2work vouchures too. I pick mine up over the weekend

DKay

wandsworth wrote:

DKay wrote:

You're welcome. What I did with my Cayo, is buy the 2013 6.0 and accumulated a full 6700 groupset and various carbon bits over time via the classifieds and I saved loads. I then swapped over everything and I now have enough bits to form the basis of a winter build and a Cayo with a better spec than the 1.0, but at a much cheaper price.

What wheels did you put on it? I have a 2013 Cayo Evo 6.0 and am thinking about upgrading the wheels.

I bought a pair of Chinese carbon clinchers (38/50mm) from Yishunbike. They've been great so far 14months and 3000miles in, but do your research first if you want to go the same route. In current spec. the only thing original left on my 6.0, are the frame and forks.

SpainSte

Picked up my Cayo just over a year ago now. Have upgraded to DA C24 wheels, carbon seat post and bars, upgraded the brakes to Ultegra to match everything else. I love it. Whichever model you go for I'm sure you will enjoy it! Have fun!!

Rydeadeye

wandsworth wrote:

DKay wrote:

You're welcome. What I did with my Cayo, is buy the 2013 6.0 and accumulated a full 6700 groupset and various carbon bits over time via the classifieds and I saved loads. I then swapped over everything and I now have enough bits to form the basis of a winter build and a Cayo with a better spec than the 1.0, but at a much cheaper price.

What wheels did you put on it? I have a 2013 Cayo Evo 6.0 and am thinking about upgrading the wheels.

I've gone for the Cayo Evo 4.0 with the Fulcrum racings 3.0s on. It's on order from Germany so just waiting for the delivery. Can't wait to get it and get out on it!

Will let you know how it rides.

Rydeadeye

Galatzo wrote:

105 will probably be 11spd next year so it doesn't make sense to go for that.
What about the addicts at westbrook ?
£1400 11spd di2 or 1200 with standard 6800 I think.
You can get cheap bars and stem and saddle to start with and some rs81s roughly within budget.
There's some 2013 de rosa r838 athena about for under 2k or you could build the deda gladiatore frame with 6800, rs81 wheels within budget.

I spoke to Westbrook cycles but they don't do the Halfords C2W voucher unfortunately.

Rydeadeye

DKay wrote:

Rydeadeye wrote:

Cheers for the advice so far. I've been offered the Evo 2.0 at £1799, so £200 off basically. although I probably like the Evo 4.0 frame better. The Fulcrum racing 5s are 1555g in weight which is pretty decent. Even paying the discounted £1799 for the Evo 2.0, I still think the wheels need upgrading on it. Is it worth paying the extra for Ultegra over 105?

Btw, I'm doing a lot of mileage atm as I'm training for Iron Man UK and I'm also training for the Fred Whitton in May too.

Even with the discount, I still don't think that the 2.0 is worth the extra £400 over the 4.0. The frame and fork are the same, as is all of the of the finishing kit (as far as i can tell). The only real differences are the Ultegra bits, the chainset (meh) and the tyres, the latter of which will only cost you around £40 to upgrade yourself.

If it were my money, I'd go for the 4.0 with the upgraded wheels. You then have the Fulcrum 7s for winter too. You even like the frame colours better. If you like the way your bike looks, you'll ride it more. If you want most of the operational benefits of the 6800 Ultegra stuff, then buy the Shimano polymer gear cables when funds allow. Who really needs 11 gears anyway?

Edit: http://road.cc/content/review/114669-sh ... 0-groupset

If I wanted to upgrad to Ultegra 11 speed, changing rear & front derailleur, cassette and chain, how much would I be looking at?

wandsworth

DKay wrote:

wandsworth wrote:

DKay wrote:

You're welcome. What I did with my Cayo, is buy the 2013 6.0 and accumulated a full 6700 groupset and various carbon bits over time via the classifieds and I saved loads. I then swapped over everything and I now have enough bits to form the basis of a winter build and a Cayo with a better spec than the 1.0, but at a much cheaper price.

What wheels did you put on it? I have a 2013 Cayo Evo 6.0 and am thinking about upgrading the wheels.

I bought a pair of Chinese carbon clinchers (38/50mm) from Yishunbike. They've been great so far 14months and 3000miles in, but do your research first if you want to go the same route. In current spec. the only thing original left on my 6.0, are the frame and forks.

Thanks. Looks nice!

Just to add, I love my Cayo Evo 6.

DKay

wandsworth wrote:

Thanks. Looks nice!

Just to add, I love my Cayo Evo 6.

Thanks man. I love mine too. It's a great blend of compliance and stiffness.