Crank and BB compatibility.

qooqiiu
qooqiiu Posts: 212
edited March 2014 in MTB workshop & tech
I currently have the shimano XT m-780 triple crankset and a press fit BB 30.

I want to try a 2x10 set up so bought an XTR m-985 double crank but it is about 6mm longer so doesnt fit my BB.

I thought these were a uniform length? The crank came with the old screw type BB but obviously that is not suitable for a push fit frame.

What do i need to do?

Comments

  • njee20
    njee20 Posts: 9,613
    Should work fine, something odd going on. Have you measured it as longer, or do you have more axle sticking out of the LH bearing?

    Shimano don't do PF30, so it'll have some sort of adapter in there - which one?
  • qooqiiu
    qooqiiu Posts: 212
    I haven't actually installed it yet as the bike is at my dad's place. Can't see how it can be ok if it's longer. It's surely going to have lateral movement.
  • njee20
    njee20 Posts: 9,613
    How are you ascertaining it's longer? Have you just measured the axle? Not got any spacers? I know my M985s had spacers on the axle, but the frame had a BB90 shell, which is only a 68mm equivalent, the same would have been needed on the M780.

    Like I say, Shimano don't do different axle widths, so there's no inherent reason for it not to work.
  • nicklouse
    nicklouse Posts: 50,675
    qooqiiu wrote:
    I currently have the shimano XT m-780 triple crankset and a press fit BB 30.

    I want to try a 2x10 set up so bought an XTR m-985 double crank but it is about 6mm longer so doesnt fit my BB.

    I thought these were a uniform length? The crank came with the old screw type BB but obviously that is not suitable for a push fit frame.

    What do i need to do?
    If the XT is being used then the XTR will work if they are the same fitting or the same design.


    You might have to give some part numbers.
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  • Got confused myself recently fitting fsa bracket . Rated for 68 /73 mm shell . Then realised spacer washers ensured correct fit.
  • qooqiiu
    qooqiiu Posts: 212
    Ok so I've fitted the cranks and my consern now is that the crank arms are far too close to the frame. In fact the drive side crank arm rubs slightly on the chain stay protector.

    Is this dangerous?

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  • trigger118
    trigger118 Posts: 191
    Are the cranks the same length as your old ones?
    2010 Norco Shore 2
    2007 Commencal MaxMax
    2013 Nukeproof Mega AM
  • qooqiiu
    qooqiiu Posts: 212
    Yes they are 175 same as the ones that they replaced.

    They say on the box that they have a narrow Q factor crank arm. They are just too close for my liking.
  • nicklouse
    nicklouse Posts: 50,675
    Narrower Q factor means pedals closer to the BB.
    "Do not follow where the path may lead, Go instead where there is no path, and Leave a Trail."
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  • njee20
    njee20 Posts: 9,613
    Which is why they're nearly hitting the stays. That's not a problem, that's design. Narrow q-factor is designed for skinny XC frames with more heel clearance.

    Bigger question is why are you running XTR Race cranks and SLR wheels with mahoosive flat pedals!?
  • qooqiiu
    qooqiiu Posts: 212
    Haha. I feel like I'm being told off now. I don't like the idea of being clipped in that's all. In hindsight if i hadofbeen clipped in I may not of done so much damage the last time I rode...

    I'm afraid my paranoia and OCD will struggle to relax with this setup. I've emailed CUBE to ask them if the crank is compatible/OK with this frame.
  • nicklouse
    nicklouse Posts: 50,675
    qooqiiu wrote:
    Haha. I feel like I'm being told off now. I don't like the idea of being clipped in that's all. In hindsight if i hadofbeen clipped in I may not of done so much damage the last time I rode...

    I'm afraid my paranoia and OCD will struggle to relax with this setup. I've emailed CUBE to ask them if the crank is compatible/OK with this frame.
    It fits. It clears the frame. So they will say yes.

    if it is suitable for YOU is upto you.
    "Do not follow where the path may lead, Go instead where there is no path, and Leave a Trail."
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  • njee20
    njee20 Posts: 9,613
    I've seen less clearance, but you may find they rub occasionally.

    Particularly with flats the fact they're narrow q-factor won't make much difference - you can move your feet further out. It's quite a roadie thing to worry about, but narrower is generally reckoned to be better - more akin to a natural stance.
  • The Rookie
    The Rookie Posts: 27,812
    So instead of being wider, they are narrower (in a different place), loving this thread!
    Currently riding a Whyte T130C, X0 drivetrain, Magura Trail brakes converted to mixed wheel size (homebuilt wheels) with 140mm Fox 34 Rhythm and RP23 suspension. 12.2Kg.
  • njee20
    njee20 Posts: 9,613
    I must say I'm confused by the original hysterics about them not fitting because they were too wide...