Mavic cosmic elite question....

FATBELLYME

Does anyone know if there is a difference between the Mavic Cosmic Elite S WTS Wheels and Mavic Cosmic Elite WTS Wheels i.e one has S ??

This the cheapest? http://www.merlincycles.com/mavic-cosmi ... 61397.html

dowtcha

I think the S version comes with prolink/progrip tyres and tubes, the non S version without.

lc1981

Mavic introduced the "S" to the names of Aksiums and Ksyriums in 2013, I think (and presumably did the same with the Cosmics). If they don't have the S, then they're probably an old model. The WTS denotes that they come with tubes and tyres.

ugo.santalucia

I had a Renault 5... it did come as L, TL, GTL and GTR... there was no discernible difference between the models, other than one had plastic bumpers, the other had painted bumpers, one had grey seats one had darker seats etc... it's probably something along those lines and totally irrelevant.
These days they even claim a difference when they change the colour of the stickers (see dark label for instance)

Mike Cotty

Spot on chaps! The "S" denotes that the wheelset is equipped with tyres (in this case Mavic's Yksion Comp) and tubes.

Ride safe all!

Mike

lc1981

Mike Cotty wrote:

Spot on chaps! The "S" denotes that the wheelset is equipped with tyres (in this case Mavic's Yksion Comp) and tubes.

WTS denotes that. It stands for wheel-tyre system. The S was added to some model names in 2013. Most (all?) Mavic wheels now come with tyres, but they don't all have the S!

jordan_217

ugo.santalucia wrote:

I had a Renault 5... it did come as L, TL, GTL and GTR... there was no discernible difference between the models, other than one had plastic bumpers, the other had painted bumpers, one had grey seats one had darker seats etc... it's probably something along those lines and totally irrelevant.
These days they even claim a difference when they change the colour of the stickers (see dark label for instance)

Oh there was plenty difference between a Renault 5 Campus and the GT Turbo :twisted:

FATBELLYME

oh just spotted these..any recommendations

http://www.planetx.co.uk/i/q/WPSHOEMRS8 ... r-wheelset

supermurph09

jordan_217 wrote:

ugo.santalucia wrote:

I had a Renault 5... it did come as L, TL, GTL and GTR... there was no discernible difference between the models, other than one had plastic bumpers, the other had painted bumpers, one had grey seats one had darker seats etc... it's probably something along those lines and totally irrelevant.
These days they even claim a difference when they change the colour of the stickers (see dark label for instance)

Oh there was plenty difference between a Renault 5 Campus and the GT Turbo :twisted:

Beat me to it! Had 3 GT Turbos, all quick, all looked nice, all fell apart!

Sandy muir

FATBELLYME wrote:

oh just spotted these..any recommendations

http://www.planetx.co.uk/i/q/WPSHOEMRS8 ... r-wheelset

Bargain, 52% off nail it before it's gone !

FATBELLYME

Are these decent and ok to cope with my 14st frame

Sandy muir

Weight is no barrier to cycling, what make and model are you proposing to put new wheels on ?

lc1981

FATBELLYME wrote:

oh just spotted these..any recommendations

http://www.planetx.co.uk/i/q/WPSHOEMRS8 ... r-wheelset

Seems like a good deal, but it depends on what you want to use them for. If you want wheels for road racing or time trialling, they may well suit your needs, but not so much if they're for club rides in windy conditions!

FATBELLYME

Sandy muir wrote:

Weight is no barrier to cycling, what make and model are you proposing to put new wheels on ?

ribble r872........yes just for rides out and club runs so maybe not suitable ..bugger

lc1981

In that case I would have thought you'd be better off with Kysriums if you want Mavics, or these Shimanos. Alternatively, handbuilts might be an option if you want something that you can replace the rims on when they wear out.

luv2ride

FATBELLYME wrote:

oh just spotted these..any recommendations

http://www.planetx.co.uk/i/q/WPSHOEMRS8 ... r-wheelset

sorry to bump thread but interested in comments about these RS80 50mm clinchers. They seem quite heavy, but really wanted to know if they have threaded axles (I've got carbon dropouts on my CR1, so trying to steer clear of threaded axles in case they chew up the drop out over time )

FATBELLYME

..Are these good value as a 2nd set..seem light enough..

http://www.ribblecycles.co.uk/sp/road-t ... ulcwhfr285

ugo.santalucia

FATBELLYME wrote:

..Are these good value as a 2nd set..seem light enough..

http://www.ribblecycles.co.uk/sp/road-t ... ulcwhfr285

.. and they are 4% more reactive... Fulcrum have invected the "reactometer", like a big tub filled with liquid mercury... you dump the wheel in and depending how high it bounces back it gives you the reactivity of the wheel...

OK, I'll get my coat...

dwanes

lc1981 wrote:

FATBELLYME wrote:

oh just spotted these..any recommendations

http://www.planetx.co.uk/i/q/WPSHOEMRS8 ... r-wheelset

Seems like a good deal, but it depends on what you want to use them for. If you want wheels for road racing or time trialling, they may well suit your needs, but not so much if they're for club rides in windy conditions!

How about road racing or time trialling in windy conditions?
Can you explain the difference between road racing and club rides when it comes to wheels?

ugo.santalucia

dwanes wrote:

Can you explain the difference between road racing and club rides when it comes to wheels?

If you are behind a club mate, that's 60 Watts you save whilst he is pushing at roughly 23-25 mph. When it's your turn at the front, the most efficient set of wheels will give you between 5 and 10 watts out of the 300 you need to be there, so the effect is kind of negligible. The same applies to bunch racing, unless you like to go at the front solo. You are significantly better off learning to suck wheels better. You get to the sprint, where you need around 1000 Watts just to be there, more if you actually want to win... 5 more becomes pretty insignificant

Things change if you time trial, where every watt means a fraction of a second per mile saved and there is nowhere to hide

keef66

Luv2ride wrote:

FATBELLYME wrote:

oh just spotted these..any recommendations

http://www.planetx.co.uk/i/q/WPSHOEMRS8 ... r-wheelset

sorry to bump thread but interested in comments about these RS80 50mm clinchers. They seem quite heavy, but really wanted to know if they have threaded axles (I've got carbon dropouts on my CR1, so trying to steer clear of threaded axles in case they chew up the drop out over time )

I've got RS10's on my CR1-SL and there's no chewing of the dropouts going on at either end despite the threaded axles. Shouldn't be an issue if the QR skewers are doing their job.

Have a look on Shimano tech docs for an exploded diagram of the wheel?

Edit: just looked and the axles appear threaded

http://techdocs.shimano.com/media/techd ... 817589.pdf

FATBELLYME

lc1981 wrote:

FATBELLYME wrote:

oh just spotted these..any recommendations

http://www.planetx.co.uk/i/q/WPSHOEMRS8 ... r-wheelset

Seems like a good deal, but it depends on what you want to use them for. If you want wheels for road racing or time trialling, they may well suit your needs, but not so much if they're for club rides in windy conditions!

Weekly rides, long but generally for fun but I like to build bikes up usingh the best parts I can afford at the tim (or wife gives me)

I went for these....http://www.planetx.co.uk/i/q/WPPX52CCL/ ... r-wheelset

daniel_b

FATBELLYME wrote:

This the cheapest? http://www.merlincycles.com/mavic-cosmi ... 61397.html

http://www.4thebike.de/laufraeder/rennrad/aluminium/14/mavic-cosmic-elite-laufradsatz-mit-hg-10-fach-rotor

FATBELLYME

Thanks I saw them but only showing in compag

lc1981

dwanes wrote:

Can you explain the difference between road racing and club rides when it comes to wheels?

Well, they're going to be slower for a start, so the aero effect will be smaller. Since racing takes place mainly in the summer and people tend to do club runs throughout the year, there's also the issue of wear to expensive wheels to consider too.