Can't fit bleed block

Cqc
Cqc Posts: 951
edited February 2014 in MTB workshop & tech
Hi all, I have an avid elixir 5 rsl which desperately needs a rear bleed, but I have been stuck on the first obstacle: I can't fit the bleed block in. It's definitely the right kind, but I can't fit it so that the fat bit is inline with the pistons, and in most guides the two prongs stick out the other side, but with mine, the fat bit doesn't fit into the calliper so it is the prongs that are inline with the pistons, is the bleed block in enough, and if not, how do I get it further in?

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  • Dawesy92
    Dawesy92 Posts: 606
    Sounds to ne asif your pistons aren't fully back in.. lut and old set of pads in and push them back with possibly a flat screw driver to make sure the pistons are all the way back.
  • Cqc
    Cqc Posts: 951
    They don't seem to be jutting out much, but I'll try...
  • Cqc
    Cqc Posts: 951
    No, thing is, the bleed block isn't being blocked by the pistons being too narrow, it's being blocked by the callipers being too narrow. Arent the two halves of a calliper connected simply by the two screws that hold them together, to could I take the two halves apart, fit the bleed block, and then screw them back together? Or is that not a good idea as they have oil between them or something?
  • cooldad
    cooldad Posts: 32,599
    Terrible idea. Don't - all the fluid will pour out everwhere (plus all the bits) to be replaced with lots of air.
    Leave the pads in (preferably an old set), stick a big screwdriver in, and turn it like a key.
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  • Cqc
    Cqc Posts: 951
    It's not the piston, it's actually the width of the calliper that's the problem- the pistons are properly pushed back in...
  • cooldad
    cooldad Posts: 32,599
    Not possible if you have the right bit.
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  • Dawesy92
    Dawesy92 Posts: 606
    Sounds like you dont have the right bleed block if thats the case
  • Cqc
    Cqc Posts: 951
    It says it's the right one, does the rsl bit in the name make it different?
  • stubs
    stubs Posts: 5,001
    You dont need the bleed block just shove a bit of wood or anything hard (but not metal) in to stop the pistons moving. I have used folded up cereal packet in an emergency
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  • Cqc
    Cqc Posts: 951
    Oh ok, have done that, but bleed hasn't been that effective, lever still pulls right to the bar. However, I've noticed that the pads are completely worn out, so I will order some new ones and then if they don't improve things I'll try another bleed.
  • Try loosening the caliper on the adapter - I've had the same problem, it just depends on the alignment, and the adapter can either get in way or at least stop you getting the block at the right angle to slip in.
  • The Rookie
    The Rookie Posts: 27,812
    Cqc wrote:
    Oh ok, have done that, but bleed hasn't been that effective, lever still pulls right to the bar. However, I've noticed that the pads are completely worn out, so I will order some new ones and then if they don't improve things I'll try another bleed.
    That doesn't necessarily mean a bleed issue, if the pads are not advancing properly you get the same symptom but all the bleading in the world won't fix it.
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  • What alaric said above.
    The bleed block is being interfered with.

    Loosen the caliper, or better still, just take the whole lever and caliper and hose off the bike, mount the lever to a piece of tube in a vice and bleed the brakes off the bike.
    It's much easier as you can position the lever at any angle you want and the line has a dead straight vertical run from the hanging caliper to the lever making the bleed so much faster.
  • do the pads come in from the top or the bottom?
  • Cqc
    Cqc Posts: 951
    do the pads come in from the top or the bottom?
    Top, but don't worry, bleed+ new pads= happy brakes