Garmin Breadcrumb Routes

TheStone

What are people using to create the the "non mapped" routes for Garmins these days (i.e. 205, 305, 500, 510).

All I want is a line where I can add my own points (summits etc)

Originally I used bikely, then converted the GPX vis gpx2crs.exe.
That stopped working, so I switched to bikeroutetoaster and then used the very old garmin software to delete the turning points and try to add the summits. That's not working now either.

I tried a few random ones at the weekend, but they all seem to fall short (including Garmin and Strava). I got one to work, but then had to convert to tcx and still needed the old garmin software!!

I don't mind paying a bit if it's right.

freezing77

TheStone wrote:

What are people using to create the the "non mapped" routes for Garmins these days (i.e. 205, 305, 500, 510).

All I want is a line where I can add my own points (summits etc)

Originally I used bikely, then converted the GPX vis gpx2crs.exe.
That stopped working, so I switched to bikeroutetoaster and then used the very old garmin software to delete the turning points and try to add the summits. That's not working now either.

I tried a few random ones at the weekend, but they all seem to fall short (including Garmin and Strava). I got one to work, but then had to convert to tcx and still needed the old garmin software!!

I don't mind paying a bit if it's right.

Why don't you use garmin's own basecamp along with openstreetmap and use the draw track option. This allows the creation of point to point tracks. You can add points of interest as waypoints.
I will post a picture up in a mo

freezing77

freezing77

Another possibility is to use the create path option in google earth. Export the path as a kml and then convert to gpx
if necessary using kmltogpx or gps vizualizer or similar

freezing77

Here is the subsequent gpx file

<metadata>
<link href="http://www.garmin.com"&gt;
<text>Garmin International</text>
</link>
<time>2014-02-06T10:30:49Z</time>
<bounds maxlat="51.353169288486242" maxlon="-0.202475683763623" minlat="51.285256678238511" minlon="-0.437473906204104" />
</metadata>

<wpt lat="51.31034329533577" lon="-0.437444150447845">
<time>2014-02-06T10:19:24Z</time>
<name>Summit one</name>
<sym>Flag, Blue</sym>
<type>user</type>
<extensions>
<gpxx:WaypointExtension>
<gpxx:DisplayMode>SymbolAndName</gpxx:DisplayMode>
<gpxx:Categories>
<gpxx:Category>RPCC TT</gpxx:Category>
</gpxx:Categories>
</gpxx:WaypointExtension>
<wptx1:WaypointExtension>
<wptx1:DisplayMode>SymbolAndName</wptx1:DisplayMode>
<wptx1:Categories>
<wptx1:Category>RPCC TT</wptx1:Category>
</wptx1:Categories>
</wptx1:WaypointExtension>
<ctx:CreationTimeExtension>
<ctx:CreationTime>2014-02-06T10:19:24Z</ctx:CreationTime>
</ctx:CreationTimeExtension>
</extensions>
</wpt>

<wpt lat="51.300348378717899" lon="-0.271132020279765">
<time>2014-02-06T10:20:36Z</time>
<name>Summit three</name>
<sym>Flag, Green</sym>
<type>user</type>
<extensions>
<gpxx:WaypointExtension>
<gpxx:DisplayMode>SymbolAndName</gpxx:DisplayMode>
<gpxx:Categories>
<gpxx:Category>RPCC TT</gpxx:Category>
</gpxx:Categories>
</gpxx:WaypointExtension>
<wptx1:WaypointExtension>
<wptx1:DisplayMode>SymbolAndName</wptx1:DisplayMode>
<wptx1:Categories>
<wptx1:Category>RPCC TT</wptx1:Category>
</wptx1:Categories>
</wptx1:WaypointExtension>
<ctx:CreationTimeExtension>
<ctx:CreationTime>2014-02-06T10:20:36Z</ctx:CreationTime>
</ctx:CreationTimeExtension>
</extensions>
</wpt>

<wpt lat="51.285300347954035" lon="-0.372236715629697">
<time>2014-02-06T10:19:52Z</time>
<name>Summit two</name>
<sym>Flag, Red</sym>
<type>user</type>
<extensions>
<gpxx:WaypointExtension>
<gpxx:DisplayMode>SymbolAndName</gpxx:DisplayMode>
<gpxx:Categories>
<gpxx:Category>RPCC TT</gpxx:Category>
</gpxx:Categories>
</gpxx:WaypointExtension>
<wptx1:WaypointExtension>
<wptx1:DisplayMode>SymbolAndName</wptx1:DisplayMode>
<wptx1:Categories>
<wptx1:Category>RPCC TT</wptx1:Category>
</wptx1:Categories>
</wptx1:WaypointExtension>
<ctx:CreationTimeExtension>
<ctx:CreationTime>2014-02-06T10:19:52Z</ctx:CreationTime>
</ctx:CreationTimeExtension>
</extensions>
</wpt>

<trk>
<name>Track</name>
<extensions>
<gpxx:TrackExtension>
<gpxx:DisplayColor>Red</gpxx:DisplayColor>
</gpxx:TrackExtension>
</extensions>
<trkseg>
<trkpt lat="51.329723261296749" lon="-0.413052560761571" />
<trkpt lat="51.310319658368826" lon="-0.437473906204104" />
<trkpt lat="51.285256678238511" lon="-0.372503846883774" />
<trkpt lat="51.300348378717899" lon="-0.271132020279765" />
<trkpt lat="51.353169288486242" lon="-0.202475683763623" />
<trkpt lat="51.350743817165494" lon="-0.274818297475576" />
</trkseg>
</trk>

TheStone

Does the basecamp/openstreetmap method have a follow roads option?

The google earth method still seems a bit cluncky.

freezing77

TheStone wrote:

Does the basecamp/openstreetmap method have a follow roads option?

The google earth method still seems a bit cluncky.

Yes it does using the route option, as opposed to track.
There are additional options to convert routes to tracks and vice versa.

freezing77

Here are the details of a route and a track gpx file. They both follow exactly the same path on the ground.
A gpx track file
<gpxx:TrackExtension>
<gpxx:DisplayColor>DarkGray</gpxx:DisplayColor>
</gpxx:TrackExtension>
</extensions>
<trkseg>
<trkpt lat="51.372829461470246" lon="-0.369376223534346" />
<trkpt lat="51.37331485748291" lon="-0.373470783233643" />
<trkpt lat="51.373636722564697" lon="-0.376067161560059" />
<trkpt lat="51.373529434204102" lon="-0.376346111297607" />
<trkpt lat="51.373357772827148" lon="-0.376496315002441" />
<trkpt lat="51.372992992401123" lon="-0.376517772674561" />
<trkpt lat="51.372542381286621" lon="-0.376453399658203" />
<trkpt lat="51.371834278106689" lon="-0.376131534576416" />
<trkpt lat="51.371254920959473" lon="-0.376002788543701" />
<trkpt lat="51.371040344238281" lon="-0.375981330871582" />
<trkpt lat="51.370911598205566" lon="-0.375702381134033" />
<trkpt lat="51.370782852172852" lon="-0.375380516052246" />
<trkpt lat="51.370777571573853" lon="-0.375370793044567" />
</trkseg>
</trk>

</gpx>

A gpx route file

<rte>
<name>Wayneflete Tower Avenue to Pelhams Walk</name>
<extensions>
<gpxx:RouteExtension>
<gpxx:IsAutoNamed>true</gpxx:IsAutoNamed>
<gpxx:DisplayColor>Magenta</gpxx:DisplayColor>
</gpxx:RouteExtension>
<trp:Trip>
<trp:TransportationMode>Bicycling</trp:TransportationMode>
</trp:Trip>
</extensions>
<rtept lat="51.372829461470246" lon="-0.369376223534346">
<time>2013-01-07T20:22:49Z</time>
<name>Wayneflete Tower Avenue</name>
<sym>Waypoint</sym>
<extensions>
<trp:ViaPoint>
<trp:CalculationMode>ShorterDistance</trp:CalculationMode>
<trp:ElevationMode>Standard</trp:ElevationMode>
</trp:ViaPoint>
<gpxx:RoutePointExtension>
<gpxx:Subclass>0600AD00C5038800EC000D24FF002388C1B C</gpxx:Subclass>
<gpxx:rpt lat="51.372829461470246" lon="-0.369376307353377">
<gpxx:Subclass>0600AD00C5038A1A070021160000C600790 0</gpxx:Subclass>
</gpxx:rpt>
<gpxx:rpt lat="51.37331485748291" lon="-0.373470783233643">
<gpxx:Subclass>0600AD00C5038A1A07001F000A0070754A0 0</gpxx:Subclass>
</gpxx:rpt>
<gpxx:rpt lat="51.373636722564697" lon="-0.376067161560059">
<gpxx:Subclass>0600AD00C5035E1A07001F060A004E62720 0</gpxx:Subclass>
</gpxx:rpt>
<gpxx:rpt lat="51.373529434204102" lon="-0.376346111297607" />
<gpxx:rpt lat="51.373357772827148" lon="-0.376496315002441" />
<gpxx:rpt lat="51.372992992401123" lon="-0.376517772674561" />
<gpxx:rpt lat="51.372542381286621" lon="-0.376453399658203" />
<gpxx:rpt lat="51.371834278106689" lon="-0.376131534576416" />
<gpxx:rpt lat="51.371254920959473" lon="-0.376002788543701">
<gpxx:Subclass>0600AD00C5035E1A07001F0009004025200 0</gpxx:Subclass>
</gpxx:rpt>
<gpxx:rpt lat="51.371040344238281" lon="-0.375981330871582" />
<gpxx:rpt lat="51.370911598205566" lon="-0.375702381134033" />
<gpxx:rpt lat="51.370782852172852" lon="-0.375380516052246" />
<gpxx:rpt lat="51.370777571573853" lon="-0.375370793044567">
<gpxx:Subclass>0600AD00C5035E1A0700211700009700200 0</gpxx:Subclass>
</gpxx:rpt>
</gpxx:RoutePointExtension>
</extensions>
</rtept>
<rtept lat="51.370777571573853" lon="-0.375370793044567">
<time>2013-01-07T20:22:52Z</time>
<name>Pelhams Walk</name>
<sym>Waypoint</sym>
<extensions>
<trp:ViaPoint>
<trp:CalculationMode>ShorterDistance</trp:CalculationMode>
<trp:ElevationMode>Standard</trp:ElevationMode>
</trp:ViaPoint>
<gpxx:RoutePointExtension>
<gpxx:Subclass>0600AD00C5039E00E0000D24FF00C387AAB B</gpxx:Subclass>
</gpxx:RoutePointExtension>
</extensions>
</rtept>
</rte>

freezing77

A gpx route created in basecamp using the routing option of follow road.

TheStone

Thanks. I'll have a good look at that tonight.

bigmat

Good to see they make this thing nice and easy for the regular user... :roll:

freezing77

BigMat wrote:

Good to see they make this thing nice and easy for the regular user... :roll:

But all a regular user has to do is click (start route), click (end route) click (send to device) finished.

tetm

This works for me and my Edge 500
http://www.bikehike.co.uk/mapview.php

markshaw77

+1 for bikehike

development seems to have slowed/stopped in recent years, but still works perfectly for me (Garmin 500)

itboffin

i have an edge 705 with full UK maps but more recently i've been using my edge 200 and a breadcrumb trail with my phone and google tracks + a gpx of the route as backup, so far i'm very happy with this combo

mikeeye

I use gpsies: http://www.gpsies.com

Good editor with follow roads capability. Also helps you create a variant of an existing route by displaying the old route on the map for you to follow, or not, as you choose.

Mobile site works well too.

I download the routes as Garmin tcx courses to put them on an Edge 305 or Edge 500 using Garmin Training Centre.

It's free, but you can support via PayPal donations.