Awesome bike, or not awesome bike?

gt-arrowhead

I saw a list of "13 things to forget in 2013 in- mountain biking"

And this came up as 3rd on the list. It doesnt explain why it is something to forget. I dont understand why to be honest. Just curious to see what people with more knowledge think, because to me it just sounds as if its supposed to be really good. Or is it just me not knowing much about FS bikes and geometry?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZ9_4rcenEA

njee20

It's more the ridiculously cringeworthy way the advert is put together, coupled with the complete bollocks they're passing off as the best thing ever.

rockmonkeysc

Some nice features but some terrible features such as press fit bottom bracket and the integrated seat clamp. Too much of an xc race bike for me and a bit average.

Barrelmaker

Needs more acronyms.

Northwind

Not enough shimz.

gt-arrowhead

Cringeworthy? You should hear that same narrator say "Pinarello" in an italian accent on another similar advert for their road bike.

I find the asymmetrical downtube quite interesting.

rockmonkeysc

It's nothing but a styling exercise.

gt-arrowhead

Thats well ugly if it is. They claimed that it was because the crank was on that side, so they shaped that side to cope with the pedaling force. Or whatever.

njee20

And that's the twaddle I was talking about...!

WindyG

wow talk about over engineered, the forkstopper seemed a dumb idea, great way to wreck a frame and fork.

gt-arrowhead

WindyG wrote:

over engineered

Those two words are the exact words i was thinking of when i finished watching the ad.

neddie

Makes it like riding a road bike ......




Why ???

Kowalski675

Dogma? I'm no expert, but it looks more like dogs**t to me. Appears to me to be a mountain bike designed by a road bike designer who doesn't understand MTBs?

"The feeling of riding a roadbike?" I can't think of anything I'd want less than that while trying to negotiate Hully Gully... :roll:

ej2320

I'd enjoy the advert a lot more if it showed someone riding it, getting sideways and all that
That advert is boring
And advert with someone whipping the back end round isn't boring

njee20

Appears to me to be a mountain bike designed by a road bike designer who doesn't understand MTBs?

Spot on. But they'll be bought by the same people who buy Dogma road bikes - they'll have all the replica kit and will enjoy standing around in car parks in the Surrey hills posing next to their Q7s.

rockmonkeysc

Look out for Team Sky replica kit on the trails soon...

step83

Yes because i really want a frame that doesnt have any give and cable routing holes without eyelets.
Also surely to make the rear shock mount stronger and symmetric wouldnt you just have a dual sided mount?

miceden

*sighs*... derailleur/disc lines routed under the BB shell... Pinarello obviously encourage drinking at work!

I do like the integrated seat clamp though....

rockmonkeysc

Integrated clamp is ok if you don't want a quick release.

njee20

miceden wrote:

*sighs*... derailleur/disc lines routed under the BB shell... Pinarello obviously encourage drinking at work!

What's wrong with that? Can't say I've ever noticed a difference in longevity or feel with them internal/external, down the down tube or along the top tube.

RockmonkeySC wrote:

Integrated clamp is ok if you don't want a quick release.

Which I can't imagine many people buying a bike of that ilk would.

The Rookie

That seat post clamp would be OK with a dropper which they have the routing for....

Nothing wrong with BB routed cables except perhaps on a DH or possibly Enduro, for the intended use it is fine.

Whether it rides OK or not I don't know, what is cringeworthy is that god awful advert, I think I was a bit sick in my mouth.

Shame a lightweight XC bike has to be made heavier for the fork bumpers and seat post clamp and silly shock mount.....

Kowalski675

njee20 wrote:

Appears to me to be a mountain bike designed by a road bike designer who doesn't understand MTBs?

Spot on. But they'll be bought by the same people who buy Dogma road bikes - they'll have all the replica kit and will enjoy standing around in car parks in the Surrey hills posing next to their Q7s.

I can see it now. All the gear, no idea. Daftest part to me seems to be the lockstops. They're gonna be a surefire way to bend/break bars and/or forks in a crash, and the reason they seem to be saying they're there is so that they can run a shorter top tube, when the rest of the MTB world is making top tubes longer to work with short stems. Presumably it costs a king's ransom too.

rockmonkeysc

Nothing wrong with lock stops, unless you want to do bar spins.

Clank

It looks like a very expensive answer to questions no one has had the need to ask.

Proof of the pudding will be if it's a revelation to ride. If it isn't a significant step forward in bike handling, we can safely say it's unnecessarily 'feature rich'. I'm going to guess it'll ride no different from many other full-sussers.

A lot of it does seem like a good reason to add cost without adding anything to functionality - much like the fancy swoops and curves on their road bikes. It adds f**k all, apart from cost and 'uniqueness', with is a pretty poor 'USP', in my book.

Kowalski675

RockmonkeySC wrote:

Nothing wrong with lock stops, unless you want to do bar spins.

Or bend/snap bars and/or damage your frame when you fall off.

Northwind

It's a better alternative than smashing the brake levers into the top tube, which is what a lot of people end up having as their lockstop.

njee20

Which ruins your frame if you're not careful. Nowt wrong with the lock stops IMO.

Lewis A

Awesome if they don't charge for all the slightly more silly ideas, the fork stoppers seem a good idea, though I'm pretty sure I've seen a bike with something similar before.

ste_t

Lovely looking bike.

Don't understand how it makes 'Pedalling more symmetrical' though!

poah

advert made for the American market - full of pointless descriptions to make the bike sound better than it is.

no mention of its travel though which is a bit odd probably about 100 - all the high end components and they use cheap ass far east floating rotors lol

its not an ugly bike just a cringe worthy video

The Rookie

So after a quick search, I can't find anywhere (worldwide) actually offering this for sale........guess that speaks volumes!