I won't be thinking of buying anything from Specialized...

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  • whiteboytrash
    whiteboytrash Posts: 594
    TailWindHome wrote:
    whiteboytrash wrote:
    TailWindHome wrote:
    whiteboytrash wrote:
    It also matters not if I'm a lawyer or not. We both of have equal access to the law and can make our own arguments <snip> I rest my case.

    Well they do say the man who is his own lawyer has a fool for a client.

    Who's they?

    The ones who charge for their time and want you to use their service?

    There's a sucker born every minute.

    :shock:

    I presume you avoid medical professionals on the same basis.

    Why not I suppose. There's so much on Wikipedia now.

    Sure. There are medical practitioners whom work in private practice become specialists in fields which are not governed by the NHS.

    Plastic Surgeons are one. Cosmetics dentistry is another.

    User pays. May not always need to the work either.

    You're not too bright are you? But that is a matter for you.
  • keef_zip
    keef_zip Posts: 295
    whiteboytrash wrote:
    keef_zip wrote:
    Again, showing your lack of knowledge. A trade mark attorney is not a lawyer.

    Not at all.

    I'm on a public forum discussing a specific issue that's in the news. Nothing more, nothing less.

    You're on here trying to bully someone into silence, yes?

    Clear difference.

    So Mr. Trademark Attorney. If you represented Specialized - what would you do? Let it slide? and not raise a dispute?

    (bet you don't answer! :P)

    I'm not bullying you, just correcting you.
  • whiteboytrash
    whiteboytrash Posts: 594
    keef_zip wrote:
    whiteboytrash wrote:
    keef_zip wrote:
    Again, showing your lack of knowledge. A trade mark attorney is not a lawyer.

    Not at all.

    I'm on a public forum discussing a specific issue that's in the news. Nothing more, nothing less.

    You're on here trying to bully someone into silence, yes?

    Clear difference.

    So Mr. Trademark Attorney. If you represented Specialized - what would you do? Let it slide? and not raise a dispute?

    (bet you don't answer! :P)

    I'm not bullying you, just correcting you.

    Good for you.

    So put your skills to good use instead of evil and tell the forum what you'd do in this situ if you were Specialized?

    I understand if you can't comment though. Perhaps you're not a real attorney? 8)
  • keef_zip
    keef_zip Posts: 295
    whiteboytrash wrote:
    keef_zip wrote:
    whiteboytrash wrote:
    keef_zip wrote:
    Again, showing your lack of knowledge. A trade mark attorney is not a lawyer.

    Not at all.

    I'm on a public forum discussing a specific issue that's in the news. Nothing more, nothing less.

    You're on here trying to bully someone into silence, yes?

    Clear difference.

    So Mr. Trademark Attorney. If you represented Specialized - what would you do? Let it slide? and not raise a dispute?

    (bet you don't answer! :P)

    I'm not bullying you, just correcting you.

    Good for you.

    So put your skills to good use instead of evil and tell the forum what you'd do in this situ if you were Specialized?

    I understand if you can't comment though. Perhaps you're not a real attorney? 8)

    Whether or not I'd advise Specialized to do what they have done is not the point. All I chipped in with was a reply to your erroneous assertion that they HAD to take action, which they did not.

    In all honesty, from a PR point of view, I think they have made a boo boo.
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436
    whiteboytrash wrote:
    TailWindHome wrote:
    whiteboytrash wrote:
    TailWindHome wrote:
    whiteboytrash wrote:
    It also matters not if I'm a lawyer or not. We both of have equal access to the law and can make our own arguments <snip> I rest my case.

    Well they do say the man who is his own lawyer has a fool for a client.

    Who's they?

    The ones who charge for their time and want you to use their service?

    There's a sucker born every minute.

    :shock:

    I presume you avoid medical professionals on the same basis.

    Why not I suppose. There's so much on Wikipedia now.

    Sure. There are medical practitioners whom work in private practice become specialists in fields which are not governed by the NHS.

    Plastic Surgeons are one. Cosmetics dentistry is another.

    User pays. May not always need to the work either.

    You're not too bright are you? But that is a matter for you.

    Before commenting on another poster's intelligence you really should check your own post for basic grammatical errors.
    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • Richmond Racer
    Richmond Racer Posts: 8,561
    whiteboytrash wrote:
    You're not too bright are you? But that is a matter for you.

    A lttle rich from the poster who complains that he's being personally attacked by other posters
  • mike6
    mike6 Posts: 1,199
    Nairnster wrote:
    whiteboytrash wrote:
    mike6 wrote:
    Right, ASI (Fuji) who actually own the rights have told the shop owner they have no problem with him using the name and can even licence him to do so. They have also told Spesh to wind there neck in as its not there name to argue about. Cue running away with tail between legs. Ha Ha, I love it. The little guy wins for once.



    Not sure they'll be running away. They hold the lawful resister in Canada.

    More to come on this one.

    http://www.cipo.ic.gc.ca/app/opic-cipo/ ... exOnPage=1

    Have you actually read the story linked to higher up the page?

    ASI consider Specialized broke the terms of the license by registering in Canada, as ASI have been using it their for 10 years and have first usage rights.

    ASI also claim that Specialized do not have the right to insist anyone desist from using Roubaix, as ASI hold the worldwide rights.

    Read the article, Its fact, not my opinion. The owners of Fuji own the name and they say its ok for the shop to use it. So its OK, despite what you might think. Get over it. :roll:
  • whiteboytrash
    whiteboytrash Posts: 594
    mike6 wrote:
    Nairnster wrote:
    whiteboytrash wrote:
    mike6 wrote:
    Right, ASI (Fuji) who actually own the rights have told the shop owner they have no problem with him using the name and can even licence him to do so. They have also told Spesh to wind there neck in as its not there name to argue about. Cue running away with tail between legs. Ha Ha, I love it. The little guy wins for once.



    Not sure they'll be running away. They hold the lawful resister in Canada.

    More to come on this one.

    http://www.cipo.ic.gc.ca/app/opic-cipo/ ... exOnPage=1

    Have you actually read the story linked to higher up the page?

    ASI consider Specialized broke the terms of the license by registering in Canada, as ASI have been using it their for 10 years and have first usage rights.

    ASI also claim that Specialized do not have the right to insist anyone desist from using Roubaix, as ASI hold the worldwide rights.

    Read the article, Its fact, not my opinion. The owners of Fuji own the name and they say its ok for the shop to use it. So its OK, despite what you might think. Get over it. :roll:

    Yes if only it was that simple.

    If you read the article ASI trademarked the name in the US but not Canada.

    They licensed the name to Specialized in the US only.

    Specialized lodged the name in Canada.

    There is no cross-border ownership of trademarks between US and Canada.

    So where to now?

    Specialized have a valid claim and it would take ASI to raise a dispute in the US that Specialized has breeched the terms of the license.

    See how complex its got now?

    I agree with the other poster who pretends to be attorney. Its a PR misstep from Specialized. But often people forget these issues months down the track and spend their money how they see fit.

    Depends if Specialized want to push this one.

    Let's see! :D
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,697
    oh my god wow....
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • keef_zip
    keef_zip Posts: 295
    whiteboytrash wrote:
    I agree with the other poster who pretends to be attorney.

    I am a trade mark attorney - no pretending here.

    Shame I can't say that you're pretending to be a plonker.
  • whiteboytrash
    whiteboytrash Posts: 594
    whiteboytrash wrote:
    mike6 wrote:
    Nairnster wrote:
    whiteboytrash wrote:
    mike6 wrote:
    Right, ASI (Fuji) who actually own the rights have told the shop owner they have no problem with him using the name and can even licence him to do so. They have also told Spesh to wind there neck in as its not there name to argue about. Cue running away with tail between legs. Ha Ha, I love it. The little guy wins for once.



    Not sure they'll be running away. They hold the lawful resister in Canada.

    More to come on this one.

    http://www.cipo.ic.gc.ca/app/opic-cipo/ ... exOnPage=1

    Have you actually read the story linked to higher up the page?

    ASI consider Specialized broke the terms of the license by registering in Canada, as ASI have been using it their for 10 years and have first usage rights.

    ASI also claim that Specialized do not have the right to insist anyone desist from using Roubaix, as ASI hold the worldwide rights.

    Read the article, Its fact, not my opinion. The owners of Fuji own the name and they say its ok for the shop to use it. So its OK, despite what you might think. Get over it. :roll:

    Yes if only it was that simple.

    If you read the article ASI trademarked the name in the US but not Canada.

    They licensed the name to Specialized in the US only.

    Specialized lodged the name in Canada.

    There is no cross-border ownership of trademarks between US and Canada.

    So where to now?

    Specialized have a valid claim and it would take ASI to raise a dispute in the US that Specialized has breeched the terms of the license.

    See how complex its got now?

    I agree with the other poster who pretends to be attorney. Its a PR misstep from Specialized. But often people forget these issues months down the track and spend their money how they see fit.

    Depends if Specialized want to push this one.

    Let's see! :D

    This is a good post. I will bump it to the top for further discussion.
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,312
    THis discussion has gone off topic ages ago and locking it is overdue!
    left the forum March 2023
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