Rapha and Ullrich
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Must need some cash. No other reason for him to cave in otherwise.
http://www.janullrich.de/en/newsi.php?newsid=4
Sad times.
http://www.janullrich.de/en/newsi.php?newsid=4
Sad times.
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I like Ulrich, but I wouldn't want my company associated with him any more than Lance Armstrong.
The hypocrisy of the cycling community is daft.
Even Betsy Andreu can't understand why Pantani was idolised while Armstrong was vilified.0 -
guinea wrote:I like Ulrich, but I wouldn't want my company associated with him any more than Lance Armstrong.
The hypocrisy of the cycling community is daft.
Even Betsy Andreu can't understand why Pantani was idolised while Armstrong was vilified.
Possibly because, as far as I am aware, Pantani was a nice man, humble and modest. He also gave huge amounts of his fortune to charity without advertising the fact. I believe he said when questioned about it "Good work should be done quietly". None of the above are phrases that could be used about Lance.
With Pantani I could despise the cheating but still like the man. Even if Armstrong had never been found to be a cheat I could never like or admire the personality. Lance made his bed now he is lying in it.0 -
mike6 wrote:guinea wrote:I like Ulrich, but I wouldn't want my company associated with him any more than Lance Armstrong.
The hypocrisy of the cycling community is daft.
Even Betsy Andreu can't understand why Pantani was idolised while Armstrong was vilified.
Possibly because, as far as I am aware, Pantani was a nice man, humble and modest. He also gave huge amounts of his fortune to charity without advertising the fact. I believe he said when questioned about it "Good work should be done quietly". None of the above are phrases that could be used about Lance.
With Pantani I could despise the cheating but still like the man. Even if Armstrong had never been found to be a cheat I could never like or admire the personality. Lance made his bed now he is lying in it.
Change the record, I'm sick of ABBA (Anyone But Bloody Armstrong) ...0 -
ddraver wrote:With guinea here - all three are dirty cheating dopers and have f**k all place in cycling. To say different about any one of them is just hypocrisy...
what about Voigt, Cancellara and basically anyone who did anything in cycling pre 05. Doping is the way it was but it doesn't mean they all have to be classed at tw@ts as i am sure some weren't but from what i have read and seen Armstrong was/is an A class tool0 -
What I dislike mainly about LA is that he is a sociopath (or does an excellent impression of one).Ben
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I believe he said when questioned about it "Good work should be done quietly"
Reminds me of something Bartali said:
“If you’re good at a sport, they attach medals to your shirts and then they shine in some museum. That which is earned by doing good deeds is attached to the soul and shines elsewhere.“0 -
I like Jan. I don't care that he doped, they all did it.
I do wish though that Rapha would try and design something that looks less middle age man riding a sportive look or bearded hipster riding a fixed wheeled beast.
They should do a Cipo line
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guinea wrote:I like Ulrich, but I wouldn't want my company associated with him any more than Lance Armstrong.
The hypocrisy of the cycling community is daft.
Even Betsy Andreu can't understand why Pantani was idolised while Armstrong was vilified.
A pig's a filthy animal but a dog has personality, personality goes a long way
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LutherB wrote:I believe he said when questioned about it "Good work should be done quietly"
Reminds me of something Bartali said:
“If you’re good at a sport, they attach medals to your shirts and then they shine in some museum. That which is earned by doing good deeds is attached to the soul and shines elsewhere.“
I have no time for any religion, but that is a beautiful quote.
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mike6 wrote:guinea wrote:I like Ulrich, but I wouldn't want my company associated with him any more than Lance Armstrong.
The hypocrisy of the cycling community is daft.
Even Betsy Andreu can't understand why Pantani was idolised while Armstrong was vilified.
Possibly because, as far as I am aware, Pantani was a nice man, humble and modest. He also gave huge amounts of his fortune to charity without advertising the fact. I believe he said when questioned about it "Good work should be done quietly". None of the above are phrases that could be used about Lance.
With Pantani I could despise the cheating but still like the man. Even if Armstrong had never been found to be a cheat I could never like or admire the personality. Lance made his bed now he is lying in it.
Given the seemingly systemic support for Armstrong during that period, it makes you wonder how much the authorities wanted Pantani out of the way. With Lance's political machinations behind the scenes together with his public bullying/baiting of Pantani in 2000 it leaves a nasty taste in the mouth given Marco's mental fragility at the time.0 -
phreak wrote:Given the seemingly systemic support for Armstrong during that period, it makes you wonder how much the authorities wanted Pantani out of the way. With Lance's political machinations behind the scenes together with his public bullying/baiting of Pantani in 2000 it leaves a nasty taste in the mouth given Marco's mental fragility at the time.
Not making excuses but fact is that Pantani had massive fragilities, no doubt about it. And many people played on them and made a shoot load of money off the back of them - and some of them still making money from the sport.
The images of him being thrown to the wolves at the hotel during the '99 Giro...I still find shocking...
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Phreak, if you could get Matt Rendell on the subject some time...the process of writing his book gave him a fair idea of who was up to what in the way of machinations.0 -
phreak wrote:mike6 wrote:guinea wrote:I like Ulrich, but I wouldn't want my company associated with him any more than Lance Armstrong.
The hypocrisy of the cycling community is daft.
Even Betsy Andreu can't understand why Pantani was idolised while Armstrong was vilified.
Possibly because, as far as I am aware, Pantani was a nice man, humble and modest. He also gave huge amounts of his fortune to charity without advertising the fact. I believe he said when questioned about it "Good work should be done quietly". None of the above are phrases that could be used about Lance.
With Pantani I could despise the cheating but still like the man. Even if Armstrong had never been found to be a cheat I could never like or admire the personality. Lance made his bed now he is lying in it.
Given the seemingly systemic support for Armstrong during that period, it makes you wonder how much the authorities wanted Pantani out of the way. With Lance's political machinations behind the scenes together with his public bullying/baiting of Pantani in 2000 it leaves a nasty taste in the mouth given Marco's mental fragility at the time.
So you are blaming Armstrong for Pantani's death
Did Pantani leave a nasty taste in your mouth when he was winning the tour and doping himself up to the eyeballs on his way to victories.
Armstrong bad doper/ murderer
Pantani good doper
Jan Ulrich ex doper looking smart in Rapha but also not a murderer
Next we ask " Did Armstrong supply Nigella Lawson with cocaine" 0 -
another a45e on the filter...hey ho0
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Let's not be silly, he got one of his mules to do it....rayjay wrote:Next we ask " Did Armstrong supply Nigella Lawson with cocaine"0 -
rayjay wrote:phreak wrote:mike6 wrote:guinea wrote:I like Ulrich, but I wouldn't want my company associated with him any more than Lance Armstrong.
The hypocrisy of the cycling community is daft.
Even Betsy Andreu can't understand why Pantani was idolised while Armstrong was vilified.
Possibly because, as far as I am aware, Pantani was a nice man, humble and modest. He also gave huge amounts of his fortune to charity without advertising the fact. I believe he said when questioned about it "Good work should be done quietly". None of the above are phrases that could be used about Lance.
With Pantani I could despise the cheating but still like the man. Even if Armstrong had never been found to be a cheat I could never like or admire the personality. Lance made his bed now he is lying in it.
Given the seemingly systemic support for Armstrong during that period, it makes you wonder how much the authorities wanted Pantani out of the way. With Lance's political machinations behind the scenes together with his public bullying/baiting of Pantani in 2000 it leaves a nasty taste in the mouth given Marco's mental fragility at the time.
So you are blaming Armstrong for Pantani's death
Did Pantani leave a nasty taste in your mouth when he was winning the tour and doping himself up to the eyeballs on his way to victories.
Armstrong bad doper/ murderer
Pantani good doper
Jan Ulrich ex doper looking smart in Rapha but also not a murderer
Next we ask " Did Armstrong supply Nigella Lawson with cocaine"
Bit heavy on the emoticons but the content sums it up perfectly (maybe not the last bit) ...
Folks forget it was Pantani doing all the trash talking, Armstrong just decided to give him enough rope to hang himself with ... (Un?)Fortunately Pantani was too goofed up to tie the noose properly so we got another year or so's entertainment out of it ...0 -
How do you go from talking about Rapha and Jan and end up with someone blaming Armstrong for Pantani's death.
I was going for a ride but the wind is crazy at moment.
Sorry Crank, I can't resist those little happy faces.
I will take heed and resist the OTT use in future. Nice one0 -
rayjay wrote:How do you go from talking about Rapha and Jan and end up with someone blaming Armstrong for Pantani's death.
Celebrated doper ... Then just leave the ABBA crowd to join in whatever dots they choose ... It always gets there in the end ...0 -
Well I reckon the ABBA fans should listen to the actual Abba.
Who can forget such classics, such as the haunting melodies of Fernando or the upbeat good time feel of Mama mia or what about that brooding classic about the downfall of Napoleon ,Waterloo.
Lets not forget the edgy tune about public finances Money Money Money.
What a band.0 -
For my money, ABBA's best song is The Visitors, which could quite easily be interpreted as the experiences of a doper being visited for an out of competition test.rayjay wrote:Well I reckon the ABBA fans should listen to the actual Abba.
Who can forget such classics, such as the haunting melodies of Fernando or the upbeat good time feel of Mama mia or what about that brooding classic about the downfall of Napoleon ,Waterloo.
Lets not forget the edgy tune about public finances Money Money Money.
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What about the The winner take's it all. The made up story of how that song came about is that Abba song writer Bjorn bumped into a very young Lance Armstrong while on Holiday in Cornwall and he
quickly dashed back to his caravan to get it down on cassette.
It's still to windy to ride.0 -
And "He is your brother" is clearly about the Schlecks.0
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That CN piece yday about this supposed deal, got pulled. No other site carried anything on it, right? Hmmm...Something smells about this (and i dont mean a month-old slice of Mutter's sacher torte overlooked by Jan in his jersey pocket)0
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TBH cycling is the only sport where ex-dopers are still revered. Except LA now.
Not that I begrudge that if everyone was doing it. Sad tho, that it's like that. Even LA had no other choice than to do what he did after his first couple of wins, he could hardly own up. Bullying aside.0 -
Joelsim wrote:TBH cycling is the only sport where ex-dopers are still revered. Except LA now.
Not that I begrudge that if everyone was doing it. Sad tho, that it's like that. Even LA had no other choice than to do what he did after his first couple of wins, he could hardly own up. Bullying aside.
Disagree. Seems players who've been done for doping still remain heroes to MLB fans. They want them back on the pitch playing for their teams as soon as their ludicrous jokes of bans are done. Dopers still revered in baseball's Hall of Fame. You have to commit a massacre to get thrown off that.0
