Dan Martin interview

frenchfighter

This is a good read and once again it shows what a great racer and chap he is.

http://www.pelotonmagazine.com/Wilcocks ... Dan-Martin

I would bring to your attention this part:
It’s an instinct inside me. I’m an actual bike racer. A lot of guys, like Team Sky have been doing, ride looking at their power meters. I never look at power, I never train by power. I check my heart rate…but I race by instinct and feeling.

Ok?

Good.

I will be quoting it again and again when the mis-informed people try and counter my claims about Dan.

Quite funny now reading some of the comments in this thread:
viewtopic.php?f=40002&t=12946902

overlord2

frenchfighter wrote:

I never look at power, I never train by power. I check my heart rate…but I race by instinct and feeling. [/b]

And all these cylists really can be trusted with what comes out of their gobs. Seriously 'never looked - never trained - never checked' - Yep pull the other one Dan it's got EPO in it.

PercyFlage

"General sentiment is there. Just facts not straight"
Dan's Twitter re Peleton interview

r0bh

Quote it as much as you like FF but then I can quote the following:

Dan Martin ‏@DanMartin86 15 Nov
@Andy_OHara @pelotonmagazine quite a few misquotes and mistakes if im honest

Dan Martin ‏@DanMartin86 16 Nov
@Andy_OHara @pelotonmagazine oh the general sentiment is there. Just facts not straight, plus starting sentences with 'and'? Poor grammar

Richmond Racer

PercyFlage wrote:

"General sentiment is there. Just facts not straight"
Dan's Twitter re peloton interview

And 'quite a few misquotes and mistakes if I'm honest'..?

RichN95.

r0bh wrote:

Dan Martin ‏@DanMartin86 16 Nov
@Andy_OHara @pelotonmagazine oh the general sentiment is there. Just facts not straight, plus starting sentences with 'and'? Poor grammar

Actually that quote makes me think he is an old fashioned traditionalist stuck in a long passed era.

frenchfighter

I am not to blame for a mag misquoting and I dont hold the stance that all I read is half-correct if it is a direct quote. Its pretty poor show if they are deliberately misquoting isnt it. I wouldnt be surprised if Martin took some flak for his comments so back tracked. Its not the first he has said similar things and you know as well as I do that they are more or less correct.

mike6

Overlord2 wrote:

frenchfighter wrote:

I never look at power, I never train by power. I check my heart rate…but I race by instinct and feeling. [/b]

And all these cylists really can be trusted with what comes out of their gobs. Seriously 'never looked - never trained - never checked' - Yep pull the other one Dan it's got EPO in it.

And???????????

Remarkable

PercyFlage wrote:

"General sentiment is there. Just facts not straight"
Dan's Twitter re peloton interview

I did think it was a little odd that he had an SRM on his bike..

frenchfighter

Remarkable wrote:

PercyFlage wrote:

"General sentiment is there. Just facts not straight"
Dan's Twitter re peloton interview

I did think it was a little odd that he had an SRM on his bike..

Just because he has an srm on his bike doesnt mean he is looking at or training/racing by power.

r0bh

frenchfighter wrote:

Remarkable wrote:

PercyFlage wrote:

"General sentiment is there. Just facts not straight"
Dan's Twitter re peloton interview

I did think it was a little odd that he had an SRM on his bike..

Just because he has an srm on his bike doesnt mean he is looking at or training/racing by power.

It's a bloody expensive crankset to have if you're not training or racing to power...

I can quite understand why you wouldn't want to race to power (and as has been mentioned in other threads some pros tape over the power display bit of their SRM head-units) but not training to power just seems perverse. Why handicap yourself to 1980s training methods?

adr82

Oh come on guys, I was really enjoying the fact that nobody had responded to FF preening himself in this thread for a couple of days.

frenchfighter wrote:

Just because he has an srm on his bike doesnt mean he is looking at or training/racing by power.

... and similarly "just because" he says he races on feel doesn't mean he does!

PercyFlage

Remarkable wrote:

PercyFlage wrote:

"General sentiment is there. Just facts not straight"
Dan's Twitter re peloton interview

I did think it was a little odd that he had an SRM on his bike..

That it's been noticed justifies it being on his bike

feltkuota

If someone uses a power meter to train and race then it is just another tool to gauge effort. It doesn't make things easier in as much as they, the riders, still have to be able to turn the pedals to produce the power. The meter only records what is being put out.

If someone wishes to train and race on feel alone then I would suggest they're missing an opportunity to fully understand what they have done, post ride and be able to replicate or amend, when they "felt" good or "felt" bad..

I can however understand why folks don't want to use them and free the mind. Different strokes for different folks..

RichN95.

I blame Star Wars.

Ever since Luke Skywalker turned off his targeting computer and used 'the force' instead to blow up the Death Star, luddites everywhere have staked out the moral high ground on the basis of some romantic spiritualism.

Look it was a lucky shot and if it wasn't for the non-force adherent Han Solo bailing him out with his technologically superior ship, he would have been shot by his dad.

mike6

feltkuota wrote:

If someone uses a power meter to train and race then it is just another tool to gauge effort. It doesn't make things easier in as much as they, the riders, still have to be able to turn the pedals to produce the power. The meter only records what is being put out.

If someone wishes to train and race on feel alone then I would suggest they're missing an opportunity to fully understand what they have done, post ride and be able to replicate or amend, when they "felt" good or "felt" bad..

I can however understand why folks don't want to use them and free the mind. Different strokes for different folks..

Exactly. Its like the little computer on my bike, it simply shows me how slowly I am going, It cant help me go any faster. If you are a pro, and have a coach, not training with a power meter is plain stupid. How can the coach tell if a coaching program is for you, or if you are improving without training data to analise.

As well as being a sport pro cycling is a job, any team that has no idea how there riders are performing in training is going to have problems putting a roster together for a specific race, and is letting there sponsors down badly.

napoleond

RichN95 wrote:

I blame Star Wars.

Ever since Luke Skywalker turn of his targeting computer and used 'the force' instead to blow up the Death Star, luddites everywhere have staked out the moral high ground on the basis of some romantic spiritualism.

Look it was a lucky shot and if it wasn't for the non-force adherent Han Solo bailing him out with his technologically superior ship, he would have been shot by his dad.

mfin

RichN95 wrote:

I blame Star Wars.

Ever since Luke Skywalker turned off his targeting computer and used 'the force' instead to blow up the Death Star, luddites everywhere have staked out the moral high ground on the basis of some romantic spiritualism.

Look it was a lucky shot and if it wasn't for the non-force adherent Han Solo bailing him out with his technologically superior ship, he would have been shot by his dad.

Brilliance

dolan_driver

RichN95 wrote:

I blame Star Wars.

Ever since Luke Skywalker turned off his targeting computer and used 'the force' instead to blow up the Death Star, luddites everywhere have staked out the moral high ground on the basis of some romantic spiritualism.

Look it was a lucky shot and if it wasn't for the non-force adherent Han Solo bailing him out with his technologically superior ship, he would have been shot by his dad.

A truer word has never been spoken. In fact, I wish to nominate Rich's considered words for "Post of the Year"!

DD.

Anonymous

I've not really been on the forum much recently but I have missed reading the nonsense that you produce Frenchie.

IMAGINE HOW GOOD MARTIN COULD BE IF HE ACTUALLY TRAINED PROPERLY AND USED THE COACHES AVAILABLE TO HIM.

thomthom

sjmclean wrote:

IMAGINE HOW GOOD MARTIN COULD BE IF HE ACTUALLY TRAINED PROPERLY AND USED THE COACHES AVAILABLE TO HIM.

Martin obviously wouldn't have won what he'd already won if that wasn't the case.

Anonymous

ThomThom wrote:

sjmclean wrote:

IMAGINE HOW GOOD MARTIN COULD BE IF HE ACTUALLY TRAINED PROPERLY AND USED THE COACHES AVAILABLE TO HIM.

Martin obviously wouldn't have won what he'd already won if that wasn't the case.

What I am saying is if he has won what he has so far, how good would he be if he had detailed analysis of his training etc.

thomthom

And what I'm saying is that Dan Martin is an elite athlete who obviously already know his stuff regarding how he should train to get the best out of himself.

frenchfighter

Did you read the interview sjm? I`m guessing not otherwise you could answer your own question using quotes from the man himself.

rayjay

The only athletes that train properly are Sky, all the rest of them don't have a clue.
When the non Sky riders do win they are lucky or it's because Sky's computers went down and their riders do not know what to do

Macaloon

rayjay wrote:

The only athletes that train properly are Sky, all the rest of them don't have a clue.
When the non Sky riders do win they are lucky or it's because Sky's computers went down and their riders do not know what to do

Without endorsing rayjay's pish in any way, I think there might be one luxury that Sky's finances affords Froome that is not available to other riders: 100% focus on a single event (with a run-up) for yourself and your team. If you know that you can take the next 6 months off, maybe you're prepared to trash your mind and body more than others who have classics in their legs (Quintana) or a home World Champs (Nibali).

It will be interesting to see Nibali's 2014 schedule and if Sky repeat 2013 by preparing their classics squad for high altitude performance.

Richmond Racer

Macaloon wrote:

rayjay wrote:

pish, followed by more pish

Without endorsing rayjay's pish in any way, I think there might be one luxury that Sky's finances affords Froome that is not available to other riders: 100% focus on a single event (with a run-up) for yourself and your team. If you know that you can take the next 6 months off, maybe you're prepared to trash your mind and body more than others who have classics in their legs (Quintana) or a home World Champs (Nibali).

It will be interesting to see Nibali's 2014 schedule and if Sky repeat 2013 by preparing their classics squad for high altitude performance.

I have it on reliable authority* that Stan's new contract includes a 'no buggering up and down Mt Teide' clause

*I made it up


I think the Classics squad will still do high altitude training, but they'll be doing less of it - shorter/less camps and more racing. Reading from what G and EBH have been saying in interviews...

Anyway, back to Dan Martin...

mike6

Macaloon wrote:

rayjay wrote:

The only athletes that train properly are Sky, all the rest of them don't have a clue.
When the non Sky riders do win they are lucky or it's because Sky's computers went down and their riders do not know what to do

Without endorsing rayjay's pish in any way, I think there might be one luxury that Sky's finances affords Froome that is not available to other riders: 100% focus on a single event (with a run-up) for yourself and your team. If you know that you can take the next 6 months off, maybe you're prepared to trash your mind and body more than others who have classics in their legs (Quintana) or a home World Champs (Nibali).

It will be interesting to see Nibali's 2014 schedule and if Sky repeat 2013 by preparing their classics squad for high altitude performance.

Spot on. Training and racing now is very specific. To get the absolute best out of your body and mind a single peak season works best for most, sometimes a double peak with rest and specific recovery/training to build for the second peak. The racing "windows" in a double peak year are much shorter than in a single.
The sepia tinted years of simply riding X number of kilometers to render a Winter body race fit are long gone.

The difference between the top guys is minimal, so not using any legal method or device to get the best out of your training is simply not professional.

tailwindhome

http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/12/ ... ame_311132

SRM meters help to train and prepare for races but in the races, those numbers don’t mean anything,” Nibali told VeloNews. “They are useful when you ride like Sky does — when a team puts five riders on the front, going at their maximum, one following the other and following his SRM.”

<snip>

“SRMs give you a lot of data for the future,” Nibali added. “In races, though, you don’t need those numbers. You must have the capacity to read the race.”