Canyon nerve vs spectral
daisbuys
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So i am narrowing down by bike choice and have got to between two Canyons, however not being able to try the bike i am not sure which one i should go for. I am used to a steepish head angle (69 degrees) so i figure the nerve will be the bike i am most used to. But i am tempted by the Spectral because i am wondering if a slacker head angle and slightly shorter top tube will be more fun.
Can i get some opinions? What will the cons be of the Spectral, will it be hideous going up hill and on tight twisty? Does it make a big difference on decents? Can both bikes be classed as all day riding bikes?
I ride in the Afan argoed, brechfa, bike park Wales etc etc
My previous bikes have been a 160mm spesh enduro and a 140mm Scott genius.
I'm just not to sure if the 120mm travel will cut it in drops and rock gardens???
Can i get some opinions? What will the cons be of the Spectral, will it be hideous going up hill and on tight twisty? Does it make a big difference on decents? Can both bikes be classed as all day riding bikes?
I ride in the Afan argoed, brechfa, bike park Wales etc etc
My previous bikes have been a 160mm spesh enduro and a 140mm Scott genius.
I'm just not to sure if the 120mm travel will cut it in drops and rock gardens???
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120mm is more than enough for any of the trails you mention.
I have had long travel, slack bikes and won't have another. They can be a bit slow steering and less fun on twisty single track. The extra weight makes climbs hard work and long travel shows up any poor damping in the fork or shock so they need to be good.Transition Patrol - viewtopic.php?f=10017&t=130702350 -
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RockmonkeySC wrote:120mm is more than enough for any of the trails you mention.
I have had long travel, slack bikes and won't have another. They can be a bit slow steering and less fun on twisty single track. The extra weight makes climbs hard work and long travel shows up any poor damping in the fork or shock so they need to be good.
I know what your saying.
The 160mm enduro I had was nice on the big jumpy drops, rock gardens and flowing single track but when it came to the technical side of it it showed its stubbornness to turn into them sharply. And the climbs were another thing altogether....always at the latter end of the pack even though I used to be at the front on the Scott....
Just wondering if it would be the difference in night and day between these two as it's only 20mm between them?
I'm still torn between the two....0 -
Hi, I'm new to this forum and was just going to ask about those 2 bikes too. I had an order for the Nerve 29 and changed it to the spectral 650b now and waiting patiently.
Is the 110mm of suspension limiting at any time?
I'm not trying to be the fastest and would prefer not to have to change bike in the next few years. The spectral seem to me like a do it all bike as in OK for trails and flatter stuff but will deal with a lot more terrain if necessary. Is that a wrong approach?
Sorry for hijack of post but I hope my questions come as being the same topic, just extended...
Thanks for the help
Oli
PS : currently using an old specialized hardrock pro HD so moving to FS. Current use is fairly flat and slow but hoping to get faster and wilder as time goes.0 -
I'm really liking the look of the Spectral. It's 140mm, so not big travel, and aimed at the "enduro" niche, so should hopefully be a great all round trail bike, not just a gravity tool.0
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bonneol1 wrote:Hi, I'm new to this forum and was just going to ask about those 2 bikes too. I had an order for the Nerve 29 and changed it to the spectral 650b now and waiting patiently.
Is the 110mm of suspension limiting at any time?
I'm not trying to be the fastest and would prefer not to have to change bike in the next few years. The spectral seem to me like a do it all bike as in OK for trails and flatter stuff but will deal with a lot more terrain if necessary. Is that a wrong approach?
Sorry for hijack of post but I hope my questions come as being the same topic, just extended...
Thanks for the help
Oli
PS : currently using an old specialized hardrock pro HD so moving to FS. Current use is fairly flat and slow but hoping to get faster and wilder as time goes.
No need to apologise as I'm trying to get as much info out of these bikes as possible, so feel free to post!0 -
Spectral. Its avaliable in blingy red, and surely that's the best bit?0
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compo wrote:Spectral. Its avaliable in blingy red, and surely that's the best bit?
The raw option looks v sexy too though - would be a tough choice.0 -
Sorry, I thought the Spectral was 160mm.
You need a test ride to work out which will suit you best. The differences will be subtle but certainly noticable.
With Canyons linear rear suspension I would rather have less travel so it's not going to wallow much.Transition Patrol - viewtopic.php?f=10017&t=130702350 -
RockmonkeySC wrote:Sorry, I thought the Spectral was 160mm.
You need a test ride to work out which will suit you best. The differences will be subtle but certainly noticable.
With Canyons linear rear suspension I would rather have less travel so it's not going to wallow much.
That's the problem with canyon, bikes aren't in the uk so can't be tested before purchase
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RockmonkeySC wrote:Sorry, I thought the Spectral was 160mm.
Nah, 650b and 140mm. Looks like it should make a great all round trail bike, in the same mould as the new Trance.0 -
I've got a 2007 stumpjumper fsr comp with 26" wheels and 120mm travel and it's enough: it performed flawlessly and I never felt under biked at a recent trip to a freeride/ downhill park in Livigno, Italy. However, if you're used to 160mm travel, 120mm may feel like a big jump to you. Ask a mate if he's got a mate whose got a mate with either of these bikes and test them that way.0
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out of the two I'd be more inclined to go for the spectral over the nerve for the extra 20mm at each end.
just a shame they use Fox suspension lol0 -
There is a Spectral in raw finish shown in some detail in this Michelin promo video.
http://vimeo.com/78779171
The Nerve 650b and Spectral 650b have both recently been tested in the German mountain bike press with good scores. Looking at the magazines suspension dyno charts I would ignore the comments by those in the UK who haven't ridden the bikes yet !
The only 2014 spec. Canyon yet tested in the UK press I've seen is the Nerve 7.9 29er which gets 4.5 out of 5 in the Dec issue of WMB.
http://magazine3k.com/magazine/sports/1 ... e-pdf.html0 -
POAH wrote:out of the two I'd be more inclined to go for the spectral over the nerve for the extra 20mm at each end.
just a shame they use Fox suspension lol
Not if you buy the one with Pike and Monarch RCT3.0 -
Kowalski675 wrote:POAH wrote:out of the two I'd be more inclined to go for the spectral over the nerve for the extra 20mm at each end.
just a shame they use Fox suspension lol
Not if you buy the one with Pike and Monarch RCT3.
the 9ex has an RC3 and a revelation but that's 1k more than the link the OP gave - which one has the RT3 and pike?0 -
POAH wrote:which one has the RT3 and pike?
None of 'em. the shock was a typo and with the fork I was getting mixed up with the Strive AL8 Race. It is indeed a Revelation fork. Still not Fox though, and still has sexy black stanchions
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Kowalski675 wrote:POAH wrote:which one has the RT3 and pike?
None of 'em. the shock was a typo and with the fork I was getting mixed up with the Strive AL8 Race. It is indeed a Revelation fork. Still not Fox though, and still has sexy black stanchions
worse than me for reading ability lol
I'm drooling over them for my bike - already got the RC3 plus0 -
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RockmonkeySC wrote:Would you go for a custom build?
I would but don't think you can better canyons deals as I read that they work out as a free frame when you tally up all the components and parts?0 -
There are some amazing deals around at the moment. I just got a Nukeproof Mega TR frame for £850 and a set of Revelation RLT forks for £325.
You could build up a custom bike for a bargain price, especially if you go 26"Transition Patrol - viewtopic.php?f=10017&t=130702350 -
RockmonkeySC wrote:There are some amazing deals around at the moment. I just got a Nukeproof Mega TR frame for £850
From CRC?0 -
I'd be tempted to get the cheapest Spectral and put some Pikes on. If you shop around you can get them for just over £500. I'm not sure what a new set of 2014 32 Float CTD Evolution 27.5 might fetch on Ebay ? There may be little demand for that spec.
The YT comes with pikes for circa £1750
http://www.yt-industries.com/shop/en/Bi ... icked-650B0 -
The Spectral has a Reverb Stealth on it, that alone makes it worth the extra - buy the Spectral. 0
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Surprises me that they've carried that over to 2014, seems a bit redundant now, between the Spectral and Strive.0
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Rambo_123 wrote:
Too much bike for me, and I'm looking at the new 650b bikes tbh hence the decisions between the two.
Was also playing with the idea of the boardman pro (also being 650b) as taking all the discounts to be had when stacking discounted vouchers, British cycling discounts and when halfords have their 10% weeks it works out to be £1100 odd.....and it's 130mm ideal travel for me??0 -
daisbuys wrote:Was also playing with the idea of the boardman pro (also being 650b) as taking all the discounts to be had when stacking discounted vouchers, British cycling discounts and when halfords have their 10% weeks it works out to be £1100 odd.....and it's 130mm ideal travel for me??
I'm no expert, but I'd say 130mm of well controlled travel is enough for trail riding, unless you're getting really gnarly (dude? :roll: ). I have the 26" Team FS and I've ridden that round Gisburn a few times (including Hully Gully and Hope Line), and that's on some pretty rocky northern geology. Admittedly you may be hitting things a lot harder and faster than I do, but with my sag set to 20% front & 30% rear I'm using almost all the travel, but not quite bottoming out (although I'm not landing anything from more than a couple of feet off the floor). The 650b Pro has considerably plusher suspenders too (I've had a play on one just around the shop and the difference is immediately apparent), and stronger brakes. It's a great spec for its price, and gets a glowing review in this month's What MTB group test (4.5 stars) - "Superbly balanced, very well equipped all-round trail bike at an absolute bargain price". It's not the right bike if you want a hard charging, big hitting gravity enduro tool, but it'll be a great trail bike.
What other vouchers have you got? British cycling discount plus a 10% promo weekend would take it down to £1296, which still looks a great buy.0 -
Kowalski675 wrote:daisbuys wrote:Was also playing with the idea of the boardman pro (also being 650b) as taking all the discounts to be had when stacking discounted vouchers, British cycling discounts and when halfords have their 10% weeks it works out to be £1100 odd.....and it's 130mm ideal travel for me??
What other vouchers have you got? British cycling discount plus a 10% promo weekend would take it down to £1296, which still looks a great buy.[/
Use this code MCOUNTHal09 on this web site http://select.halfordsbusinessservices.co.uk (need to register before applying code) and voila 10% off vouchers
And if you order and reserve online through quidco you get 3% cashback approx £40 on the fs boardman pro.
So brings the price down to approx £1130 which is cheaper than the nerve, and if you added a reverb into the equation which you get on the spectral I would still be better off by approx £400?
Tough choices ahead I think!0
